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In reply to the discussion: The reality about "vote flipping" machines in NC and elsewhere [View all]Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)12. *Sigh*
Why no paper trail?
Well, North Carolina has a paper trail, by law. How do I know? I helped write the law.
§ 163-165.7. Voting systems: powers and duties of State Board of Elections.
(4) With respect to electronic voting systems, that the voting system generate a paper record of each individual vote cast, which paper record shall be maintained in a secure fashion and shall serve as a backup record for purposes of any hand-to-eye count, hand-to-eye recount, or other audit.
Electronic systems that employ optical scan technology to count paper ballots shall be deemed to satisfy this requirement.
(5) With respect to DRE voting systems, that the paper record generated by the system be viewable by the voter before the vote is cast electronically, and that the system permit the voter to correct any discrepancy between the electronic vote and the paper record before
the vote is cast.
Also,
(c) Prior to certifying a voting system, the State Board of Elections shall review, or designate an independent expert to review, all source code made available by the vendor pursuant to this section and certify only those voting systems compliant with State and federal law. At a minimum, the State Board's review shall include a review of security, application vulnerability, application code, wireless security, security policy and processes, security/privacy program management, technology infrastructure and security controls, security organization and governance , and operational effectiveness, as applicable to that voting system.
And finally:
§ 163-165.9A. Voting systems: requirements for voting systems vendors; penalties.
(a) Duties of Vendor. Every vendor that has a contract to provide a voting system in North Carolina shall do all of the following:
(1) The vendor shall place in escrow with an independent escrow agent approved by the State Board of Elections all software that is relevant to functionality, setup, configuration, and operation of the voting system, including, but not limited to, a complete copy of the source and executable code, build scripts, object libraries, application program interfaces, and complete documentation of all aspects of the system including, but not limited to, compiling instructions, design documentation, technical documentation, user documentation, hardware and software specifications, drawings, records, and data. The State Board of Elections may require in its request for proposal that additional items be escrowed, and if any vendor that agrees in a contract to escrow additional items, those items shall be subject to the provisions of this section. The documentation shall include a list of programmers responsible for creating the software and a sworn
affidavit that the source code includes all relevant program statements in low-level and high-level languages.
(2) The vendor shall notify the State Board of Elections of any change in any item required to be escrowed by subdivision (1) of this subsection.
(3) The chief executive officer of the vendor shall sign a sworn affidavit that the source code and other material in escrow is the same being used in its voting systems in this State. The chief executive officer shall ensure that the statement is true on a continuing basis.
(4) The vendor shall promptly notify the State Board of Elections and the county board of elections of any county using its voting system of any decertification of the same system in any state, of any defect in the same system known to have occurred anywhere, and of any relevant defect known to have occurred in similar systems.
(5) The vendor shall maintain an office in North Carolina with staff to service the contract.
(b) Penalties. Willful violation of any of the duties in subsection (a) of this section is a Class G felony. Substitution of source code into an operating voting system without notification as provided by subdivision (a)(2) of this section is a Class I felony. In addition to any other applicable penalties, violations of this section are subject to a civil penalty to be assessed by the State Board of Elections in its discretion in an amount of up to one hundred thousand dollars ($100,000) per violation. A civil penalty assessed under this section shall be subject to the provisions of G.S. 163-278.34(e). (2005-323, s. 2(a).)
NC has one of the toughest, if not THE toughest laws on the book covering e-voting. There are severe penalties for trying to tamper with a voting machine. It is far easier to suppress the vote. One great way to suppress the vote is to make people think the voting machines are rigged.
Let's not be part of the problem.
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I think Rove and Co realized the Ohio 2004 tactics can only steal so many votes and to
randys1
Nov 2014
#1
Not sure the motive of the OP but today we talk about GOTV and then we watch for vote stealing
randys1
Nov 2014
#30
I have been programming touchscreen operator interfaces for over 20 years and after initial....
yourout
Nov 2014
#107
Does the machine print the hardcopy where the user can see the printout of the vote?
yourout
Nov 2014
#113
If I can control what is on the display, I can control what is on the printer
Kelvin Mace
Nov 2014
#114
The voter is supposed to compare what is on the screen with what is on the printer
Kelvin Mace
Nov 2014
#119
And if your clients used them only twice a year, how well do you think they would work? n/t
eridani
Nov 2014
#128
?? One 2008 story of R to D switch, vs. several in each election of D to R switch. nt
tblue37
Nov 2014
#28
"claiming this evidence of fraud discourages people from voting at a time where we need every damn
FSogol
Nov 2014
#3
machines make $$ for corporations. go back to hand paper and stop all this BS nt
msongs
Nov 2014
#10
I also read that 70% of votes in this election are on paper due to old machines which have fallen
PeaceNikki
Nov 2014
#13
It would be almost as easy (and certainly faster) to have three different companies scanning.
Liberal Veteran
Nov 2014
#69
Well I know it will not change...and no one will purpose an amendment to change it.
zeemike
Nov 2014
#105
And really, if you were going to flip votes through software, would you make it visible?
Liberal Veteran
Nov 2014
#31
I don't recall one reported instance of "D"s flipping to "R"s. MEA CULPA! I MEANT: R to D!!!!!!!!!!!
WinkyDink
Nov 2014
#34
All points well taken here. However this is about our elections, no room for failure of any kind.
YOHABLO
Nov 2014
#35
As an IT/repair person, I greatly admire your work and perseverance for accuracy in our..
BlueJazz
Nov 2014
#44
Kevin, this native North Carolinian wants to say a big thank you for all you've done.
ladyVet
Nov 2014
#53
Absolutely agree with this. The widespread fears of vote-flipping are CTs at their worst.
randome
Nov 2014
#95
Great thread (and OP). At the risk of opening a can of worms or ripping off a scab, do
KingCharlemagne
Nov 2014
#108
Good points all. People in Ohio waited in line for hours and hours to vote in some
KingCharlemagne
Nov 2014
#118
Bravo! As long as we acknowledge that there are occasional conspiracies in history -- the
KingCharlemagne
Nov 2014
#123
What are the facts at the links of "R" flipping to "D" provided by the OP, (SEE POST # 82)?
WinkyDink
Nov 2014
#135
I've seen issues in Florida that are different than you describe, but may be manipulation.
Sancho
Nov 2014
#136
That's like saying raising awareness about cancer discourages doctor visits.
True Blue Door
Nov 2014
#169
Again, I have expained this about five times in this thread, but here goes number six
Kelvin Mace
Nov 2014
#173
I don't know. I would love to believe this, but I will never forget the 2004 election.
Vinca
Nov 2014
#183