Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
General Discussion
In reply to the discussion: The reality about "vote flipping" machines in NC and elsewhere [View all]Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)119. The voter is supposed to compare what is on the screen with what is on the printer
It is up to the voter to make an issue of problems (obviously).
Again, if I am rigging the election, I want to do it on the down low and not call attention to it. If I call attention to it, then the machine is probably going to be audited since if is "malfunctioning". If I do it on the sly and rig the display and printer to show one thing, while recording something else, an audit will catch the discrepancy.
From the law:
SECTION 1.(a) Effective August 1, 2005, and applicable to any voting systems upgraded or acquired on or after that date and to all voting systems used in the State during any election during or after 2006, G.S. 163-165.7 reads as rewritten:
"§ 163-165.7. Voting systems
(4) With respect to electronic voting systems, that the voting system generate a paper record of each individual vote cast, which paper record shall be maintained in a secure fashion and shall serve as a backup record for purposes of any hand-to-eye count, hand-to-eye recount, or other audit.
SECTION 5.(a) G.S. 163-182.1(b)
(1) Provide for a sample hand-to-eye count of the paper ballots or paper records of a statewide ballot item in every county. The presidential ballot item shall be the subject of the sampling in a presidential election. If there is no statewide ballot item, the State Board shall provide a process for selecting district or local ballot items to adequately sample the electorate. The sample chosen by the State Board shall be of full precincts, full counts of absentee ballots, and full counts of one-stop early voting sites. The size of the sample of each category shall be chosen to produce a statistically significant result and shall be chosen after consultation with a statistician. The actual units shall be chosen at random. In the event of a material discrepancy between the electronic or mechanical count and a hand-to-eye count, the hand-to-eye count shall control, except where paper ballots or records have been lost or destroyed or where there is another reasonable basis to conclude that the hand-to-eye count is not the true count. If the discrepancy between the hand-to-eye count and the mechanical or electronic count is significant, a complete hand-to-eye count shall be conducted.
If I am a crooked election official and want to screw with the vote, the easiest way is to reduce the number of voting machines and spares allocated to predominantly Democratic/Republican precincts, because how does anyone prove that it was deliberate? WAY safer than risking tampering with a voting machine.
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
207 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
I think Rove and Co realized the Ohio 2004 tactics can only steal so many votes and to
randys1
Nov 2014
#1
Not sure the motive of the OP but today we talk about GOTV and then we watch for vote stealing
randys1
Nov 2014
#30
I have been programming touchscreen operator interfaces for over 20 years and after initial....
yourout
Nov 2014
#107
Does the machine print the hardcopy where the user can see the printout of the vote?
yourout
Nov 2014
#113
If I can control what is on the display, I can control what is on the printer
Kelvin Mace
Nov 2014
#114
The voter is supposed to compare what is on the screen with what is on the printer
Kelvin Mace
Nov 2014
#119
And if your clients used them only twice a year, how well do you think they would work? n/t
eridani
Nov 2014
#128
?? One 2008 story of R to D switch, vs. several in each election of D to R switch. nt
tblue37
Nov 2014
#28
"claiming this evidence of fraud discourages people from voting at a time where we need every damn
FSogol
Nov 2014
#3
machines make $$ for corporations. go back to hand paper and stop all this BS nt
msongs
Nov 2014
#10
I also read that 70% of votes in this election are on paper due to old machines which have fallen
PeaceNikki
Nov 2014
#13
It would be almost as easy (and certainly faster) to have three different companies scanning.
Liberal Veteran
Nov 2014
#69
Well I know it will not change...and no one will purpose an amendment to change it.
zeemike
Nov 2014
#105
And really, if you were going to flip votes through software, would you make it visible?
Liberal Veteran
Nov 2014
#31
I don't recall one reported instance of "D"s flipping to "R"s. MEA CULPA! I MEANT: R to D!!!!!!!!!!!
WinkyDink
Nov 2014
#34
All points well taken here. However this is about our elections, no room for failure of any kind.
YOHABLO
Nov 2014
#35
As an IT/repair person, I greatly admire your work and perseverance for accuracy in our..
BlueJazz
Nov 2014
#44
Kevin, this native North Carolinian wants to say a big thank you for all you've done.
ladyVet
Nov 2014
#53
Absolutely agree with this. The widespread fears of vote-flipping are CTs at their worst.
randome
Nov 2014
#95
Great thread (and OP). At the risk of opening a can of worms or ripping off a scab, do
KingCharlemagne
Nov 2014
#108
Good points all. People in Ohio waited in line for hours and hours to vote in some
KingCharlemagne
Nov 2014
#118
Bravo! As long as we acknowledge that there are occasional conspiracies in history -- the
KingCharlemagne
Nov 2014
#123
What are the facts at the links of "R" flipping to "D" provided by the OP, (SEE POST # 82)?
WinkyDink
Nov 2014
#135
I've seen issues in Florida that are different than you describe, but may be manipulation.
Sancho
Nov 2014
#136
That's like saying raising awareness about cancer discourages doctor visits.
True Blue Door
Nov 2014
#169
Again, I have expained this about five times in this thread, but here goes number six
Kelvin Mace
Nov 2014
#173
I don't know. I would love to believe this, but I will never forget the 2004 election.
Vinca
Nov 2014
#183