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tritsofme

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25. The timing of the Landrieu's December 6th runoff make a pocket veto strategy very unlikely

Thu Nov 13, 2014, 09:47 PM

Nov 2014

If the bill does not pass by then, there was very little point to this exercise.

Congress can generally thwart a pocket veto by designating an agent to receive the president's veto message when they are out of session, though I'm not sure that proposition has ever been tested when faced with a sine die adjournment as would be the case here.

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Now we are starting to hear from China: "We don't want your dirty tar sands oil" [View all] Samantha Nov 2014 OP

This story is far from over Hekate Nov 2014 #1

They have been dancing around the issue of the literal legislative vote Samantha Nov 2014 #2

Excellent point, and same with Canada, where federal elections are a year away. Congress votes Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #5

Naomi Kline made another excellent comment Samantha Nov 2014 #7

Yep, Andy823 Nov 2014 #12

If the president does not sign a bill, it almost always becomes law 10 days after passage. tritsofme Nov 2014 #18

If Congress adjourns before the 10 days, the bill fails, it's often called a 'pocket veto'... Spazito Nov 2014 #22

The timing of the Landrieu's December 6th runoff make a pocket veto strategy very unlikely tritsofme Nov 2014 #25

Bringing a bill before the Senate for a vote doesn't necessarily mean a vote takes place... Spazito Nov 2014 #27

If that's the case, then Obama might as well just veto. tritsofme Nov 2014 #28

He may well do a straight up veto as opposed to a pocket veto, I suspect he will... Spazito Nov 2014 #31

I think all of the talk about what happens by the legislature is a moot point Samantha Nov 2014 #45

The media is playing this up as if it is a strategy to help Landrieu win her runoff Samantha Nov 2014 #36

It's Landrieu's strategy, she seems to think it will help her. tritsofme Nov 2014 #41

Okay, so it was her idea .... Samantha Nov 2014 #42

I think this is different because it falls within that unique category Samantha Nov 2014 #34

If there are constitutional issues with the bill, that would have to be resolved in the courts tritsofme Nov 2014 #37

I have been doing a lot of research on this and it is clear this pipeline has to have Presidential Samantha Nov 2014 #43

To reach the goals agreed to by 2030 China can no longer afford tar sands oil. Well played, Obama. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #3

Good point, Fred Sanders Samantha Nov 2014 #16

Good for China. I've seen pictures of air pollution over there and it is terrible. Tar sands oil Louisiana1976 Nov 2014 #4

I visited Bejing...June 2003? ... 2PM... I could look directly into the sun HereSince1628 Nov 2014 #11

Not too mention... Xolodno Nov 2014 #6

Isn't it just too wonderful? If it doesn't happen, the Koch Brothers would lose Samantha Nov 2014 #8

That sounds like a lot, but for the Kochs $100,000,000 is about 2 days investment earnings Electric Monk Nov 2014 #19

I guess we will just have to take our consolation in the fact they are making no money Samantha Nov 2014 #38

I think a bigger consolation would be if the oil sands stop polluting the fuck out of the north. Electric Monk Nov 2014 #39

It is possible he did, great move too, a shiv to both the GOP and the Koch Bros. IdiocracyTheNewNorm Nov 2014 #9

That is what I was thinking -- a polite but deadly maneuver Samantha Nov 2014 #13

Bad News. bvar22 Nov 2014 #10

He's been stalling them for years, now it's come to a head. Bush wanted it in 2007. freshwest Nov 2014 #14

This is great you posted all this information and/or history Samantha Nov 2014 #17

Thanks. I didn't post it in GD at the time as many were mixing up apples and oranges. freshwest Nov 2014 #21

When this controversy first erupted, one of the Ivy League law schools had someone Samantha Nov 2014 #32

Thanks, I also heard the figure 50 on the jobs, as well. You did great, hope you saved the links. freshwest Nov 2014 #33

It appears plain that the Legislative Branch cannot approve the Keystone Pipeline Samantha Nov 2014 #44

China is already involved with Canada for tar sands oil. L0oniX Nov 2014 #15

Ka-Ching . . . It's a Greenwash Strelnikov_ Nov 2014 #30

This is fascinating Samantha Nov 2014 #40

Keystone XL doesn't exist anymore. Eridenus Nov 2014 #20

Keystone XL certainly does still exist... Spazito Nov 2014 #23

Right, and Harper is already under stress to dump Keystone XL Eridenus Nov 2014 #24

There is no coalition in the Harper's government... Spazito Nov 2014 #29

One thing I have to ask DonCoquixote Nov 2014 #26

I remember reading when she left the State Department she left the application on her desk Samantha Nov 2014 #35