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zipplewrath

(16,695 posts)
43. Again decieving
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 03:06 PM
Nov 2014
The population of the top five cities (New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston and Philadelphia) is only 6% of the population of the United States and the population of the top 50 cities (going as far down as Arlington, TX) is only 15% of the population of the United States. 16% of the U.S. population lives in the top 100 cities. They voted 63% Democratic in 2004.


You're ignoring the larger "metropolitan" areas of these cities. Especially in the north east, but also the metropolis extending from LA County all the way down to San Diego. Same thing for the population density extending from DC to Boston. There is nothing comparable in the midwest or plains area. Campaigning will focus on these exceeding large demographic areas, and rely upon the national "overflow" of advertising and TV news coverage to expose them to their candidate. There will be fundraising in other areas, and you'll see some campaigning associated with those activities. And of course there will still be House and Senate races that will need to be supported, especially for a candidate looking for "coat tails" in a presidential election. But just as the campaigns currently focus on the battleground states, in a popular election they will chase individual votes. And their efforts will focus on where the votes are.

Further evidence of the way a nationwide presidential campaign would be run comes from national advertisers who seek out customers in small, medium, and large towns of every small, medium, and large state. A national advertiser does not write off Indiana or Illinois merely because a competitor makes more sales in those particular states.


This is a tad off as well. National advertisers aren't pursing votes where it is one or the other. They are pursuing purchases from people who can (and do) patronize MANY products. They advertise where they can turn a profit, and that profit includes a calculation of the advertising required to gain the required market share. A national campaign with relatively "unlimited" funds can afford to expand the reach of their campaign. But generally speaking, their funds won't be unlimited and they'll make choices, which is why even today campaigns rarely if ever go to Alaska, much less spend much up there. The cost in terms of time is too great.

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I think that many here might be unpleasantly surprised by a popular vote system Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #1
You're assuming a binary winner-takes-all system unrepentant progress Nov 2014 #2
If you get rid of the electoral college SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2014 #4
You'll notice I was talking in hypotheticals unrepentant progress Nov 2014 #6
Getting one Constitutional amendment done is big enough of a hurdle SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2014 #9
Who cares? unrepentant progress Nov 2014 #10
My bad SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2014 #12
The National Popular Vote Bill - 61% of the way of going into effect mvymvy Nov 2014 #28
Thanks SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2014 #30
and what is wrong with that concept wilt the stilt Nov 2014 #8
congressional districts should have a maximum allowed in any one district wilt the stilt Nov 2014 #5
Yep. unrepentant progress Nov 2014 #7
I have been against the electoral college since 1969 wilt the stilt Nov 2014 #3
The Candidate with the Most Votes Should Win mvymvy Nov 2014 #27
I have a degree in political science from the Electoral College. kwassa Nov 2014 #11
I'm sure the Founding Fathers came up with the idea customerserviceguy Nov 2014 #13
Minorities and women didn't have the vote until 1920 and 1964. CK_John Nov 2014 #22
unless there is sarcasm here ProdigalJunkMail Nov 2014 #42
Yes, thanks customerserviceguy Nov 2014 #45
On paper... world wide wally Nov 2014 #14
I actually think that getting rid of it, would be more of a disenfranchisment KMOD Nov 2014 #15
No shit, that is where the people are! One person, one vote. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #16
Doesn't it already? Through the House votes? n/t KMOD Nov 2014 #17
So issues important to North Dakota don't matter? davidn3600 Nov 2014 #18
A North Dakotan vote shouldn't have more weight in choosing a president ProfessorPlum Nov 2014 #20
You are thinking about it in a skewed way, I think ProfessorPlum Nov 2014 #19
Safe states, and swing states aren't static. KMOD Nov 2014 #31
States' Partisanship Has Hardened mvymvy Nov 2014 #33
Big City & Campaign Realities mvymvy Nov 2014 #34
Political Realities of Big States. They would not decide every election mvymvy Nov 2014 #26
8 small western states KMOD Nov 2014 #32
Small States Support a National Popular Vote mvymvy Nov 2014 #35
Near Misses are Now Frequently Common mvymvy Nov 2014 #36
Be careful what you wish for zipplewrath Nov 2014 #21
Near Misses are Now Frequently Common mvymvy Nov 2014 #23
When Every Vote is Equal and Matters, Turnout does and will Increase mvymvy Nov 2014 #24
When and where every voter is equal, a campaign must be run everywhere mvymvy Nov 2014 #25
No zipplewrath Nov 2014 #29
When and where every voter is equal, a campaign must be run everywhere mvymvy Nov 2014 #37
Tad Deceiving zipplewrath Nov 2014 #38
One Person, One Vote, Each Equal, Each Matters Equally, Most Votes Wins mvymvy Nov 2014 #39
And this will get worse with a purely popular vote zipplewrath Nov 2014 #40
Political Reality and Experience Don't Agree mvymvy Nov 2014 #41
Again decieving zipplewrath Nov 2014 #43
I have been saying this for years AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #44
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