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RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
68. Here's a black perspective, Mary McLeod Bethune's~
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 07:13 PM
Nov 2014
Judged from the standards of today, of course, there is much we can criticize about the New Deal/Roosevelt era. It did not bring to an end the tremendous injustices that African Americans had to suffer on a day-to-day basis, and some of its activities, such as the work of the Federal Housing Administration, served to build rather than break down the walls of segregation that separated black from white in Jim Crow America.

Yet as Mary McLeod Bethune once noted, the Roosevelt era represented “the first time in their history” that African Americans felt that they could communicate their grievances to their government with the “expectancy of sympathetic understanding and interpretation.” Indeed, it was during the New Deal, that the silent, invisible hand of racism was fully exposed as a national issue; as a problem that at the very least needed to be recognized; as something the county could no longer pretend did not exist.

http://www.rooseveltinstitute.org/new-roosevelt/african-americans-and-new-deal-look-back-history

A different time. Racism is not acceptable to progressives now, but we'll take his support of the working class. We didn't need the racist southern whites to elect Obama, and we don't need them now either.

I would love to say no, but the oligarchs have steamrolled over FDR several trillion times. Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #1
Have you been paying attention? PeteSelman Nov 2014 #2
So... I Should Give Up On Voting For Democrats ??? WillyT Nov 2014 #3
I fear that all is lost. PeteSelman Nov 2014 #6
Reagan trickle down has failed miserably and much of what FDR did is still working. But jwirr Nov 2014 #35
No, because the alternative is roided-up republinazis IDemo Nov 2014 #7
they got us by the short and curlies. Too bad they've forgotten what they're supposed to do now librechik Nov 2014 #25
Strange, I heard "FDR Democrats" separated from "liberal, socialist Democrats"... moriah Nov 2014 #70
I don't know why. PeteSelman Nov 2014 #73
We may have to give up on "these" Democrats if we want FDR results world wide wally Nov 2014 #4
Pony lover. woo me with science Nov 2014 #5
Ingrate ??? - Yeah... WillyT Nov 2014 #8
James Buchanan is too "extreme" for the Dems--because he took positions, and that rankles the MisterP Nov 2014 #9
I know this is heresy. newfie11 Nov 2014 #10
If the FDR coalition is dead, it's because the "progressive" purists killed it. baldguy Nov 2014 #11
Oh Please... Do Explain... WillyT Nov 2014 #16
It's dead because all of its members are dead. nt geek tragedy Nov 2014 #20
I'm still here. Born in 1941. jwirr Nov 2014 #36
Pretty much except for the outliers mmonk Nov 2014 #12
And in some cases, Dems are to the right of Republicans (not just Obama) RiverLover Nov 2014 #13
Intentional betrayal. Scuba Nov 2014 #15
+ 1,000,000,000 !!! WillyT Nov 2014 #18
Sux for me because I'm an FDR Dem...with no representation. ~nt RiverLover Nov 2014 #14
A clue for the GOP-ish wingtip... Octafish Nov 2014 #17
FDR died 70 years ago. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #19
Did The Democratic Party Die Too ??? WillyT Nov 2014 #22
We held it because of segregation. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #27
Really ??? - We Lost The Congress After We Passed The Voting Rights Act ??? - I Don't Think So... WillyT Nov 2014 #37
What do you think LBJ meant when he said, "We have lost the South for a generation?" wyldwolf Nov 2014 #64
Well... I Know It Took A Generation To Do It... WillyT Nov 2014 #69
the south immediately began moving to the Republican side... wyldwolf Nov 2014 #72
And We Democrats Started Moving Away From FDR Priciples That Served Us Well, And Are Now... WillyT Nov 2014 #75
Your long reply has nothing to do with your initial claim. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #76
So... No Response... No Concern... How Do You Propose We Win Again ??? WillyT Nov 2014 #85
stay on task much? wyldwolf Nov 2014 #92
Non Responsive... WillyT Nov 2014 #93
evasive. You completely changed the subject wyldwolf Nov 2014 #95
"Racist southern whites were a key part of the FDR coalition." Erm, not quite. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #58
The Southern faction did, indeed, play a major role wyldwolf Nov 2014 #66
Here's a black perspective, Mary McLeod Bethune's~ RiverLover Nov 2014 #68
Well...... AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #71
"FDR let the Dixiecrats 'in to an extent.'" No, they played a major role in the New Deal's passage wyldwolf Nov 2014 #74
"No, they played a major role in the New Deal's passage", I'm sorry, but that's a myth...... AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #80
I just posted source material and you still contend it's a myth wyldwolf Nov 2014 #84
Re: "If the facts don't fit your world view, you just deny they exist." AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #87
the source materials contradicted your opinions (what you're calling 'facts') wyldwolf Nov 2014 #96
Those were not opinions. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #102
Hm. Ok, un-sourced, un-linked cites. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #103
I'll let you know when I find the sources I'm looking for. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #104
That one XemaSab Nov 2014 #106
We didn't hold 'congress for 40 years because of FDR.' wyldwolf Nov 2014 #63
“government by organized money is just as dangerous as government by organized mob.” FDR adirondacker Nov 2014 #21
Maybe we need an FDR Democratic Party to challenge the Cleita Nov 2014 #23
+1 Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #24
How would you get southern white racists to sign up? geek tragedy Nov 2014 #28
Really? Cleita Nov 2014 #29
They were Democrats under FDR because Lincoln geek tragedy Nov 2014 #44
Well now they have been Republicans for decades now. Cleita Nov 2014 #46
That is not the FDR coalition though. nt geek tragedy Nov 2014 #47
It can be if our activists explain it to them. eom Cleita Nov 2014 #48
No, it's a modern coalition, for better or worse. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #49
I didn't care about FDR when I was in my early twenties and I was Cleita Nov 2014 #50
No Americans have been thrown into internment camps lately... SidDithers Nov 2014 #26
Anytime anyone mentions FDR someone brings up the internment camps Cleita Nov 2014 #30
Then how about... wyldwolf Nov 2014 #113
That was started by Hoover. eom Cleita Nov 2014 #116
and FDR continued it. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #117
You've made your point. One of the greatest Presidents of this country also made Cleita Nov 2014 #118
And your point is... wyldwolf Nov 2014 #119
No... But A Couple Have Been Killed By Drones... WillyT Nov 2014 #38
Yes BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #31
FDR is dead, period. MineralMan Nov 2014 #32
That was Truman's judgement, through advisement, to use it, though. KoKo Nov 2014 #40
It wasn't built not to be used. MineralMan Nov 2014 #42
*checks my pulse* lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #33
You can sensse his spirit so often in our party. "You have to compromise!" he was fond of saying. raouldukelives Nov 2014 #34
I do not think FDR would have been for TPP, the ending of public education or environmental jwirr Nov 2014 #43
FDR....Who? KoKo Nov 2014 #39
I have read this post and apparently it is dead. So what the hell do we care what happens to Social jwirr Nov 2014 #41
Recommend...you are addressing the Roosevelt programs that KoKo Nov 2014 #52
I agree. One of the things I think that could have been done better is talking more about the things jwirr Nov 2014 #55
Agree with what you say. KoKo Nov 2014 #60
I think it may even be making a difference already. How many of us are spending as much at jwirr Nov 2014 #61
It died because FDR wasn't Progressive enough maxrandb Nov 2014 #45
Here's a short snip from a great article that explains why we want FDR progressivism to LIVE RiverLover Nov 2014 #51
Thank You For That !!! WillyT Nov 2014 #53
My pleasure WillyT!!! RiverLover Nov 2014 #56
This Democratic Party is nothing like my father's. Drahthaardogs Nov 2014 #54
Not at all. He campaigned as one, though. And he won big!! RiverLover Nov 2014 #57
He never did break out those comfortable walking shoes did he? Drahthaardogs Nov 2014 #82
The Turd Wayers want FDR gone from OUR party... 99Forever Nov 2014 #59
The FDR you're imagining never existed. Just as the Reagan the right imagines never existed wyldwolf Nov 2014 #62
ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! KoKo Nov 2014 #77
How about... wyldwolf Nov 2014 #78
I'm okay with that......are you? KoKo Nov 2014 #79
definitely, which I why I always suggest it. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #81
Where are the links you demand from others? RiverLover Nov 2014 #86
glad you asked. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #94
Thanks for the links. But NOTHING here negates what he did for us while in office. RiverLover Nov 2014 #99
which isn't what I contended wyldwolf Nov 2014 #100
I'm not idolizing him. He came to be a populist slowly. I've read alot. What he DID though in ofc RiverLover Nov 2014 #101
Okay...what about his "New Deal" and "Regulating the Banks?" KoKo Nov 2014 #89
It was the center ground wyldwolf Nov 2014 #97
Way to go, Koko! Nicely played. :-) RiverLover Nov 2014 #83
I hate to say this, but..... AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #88
all you've offered me is... wyldwolf Nov 2014 #98
LOL !!! - IRONIC !!! WillyT Nov 2014 #105
Again, you reveal how fundamentalists have different definitions wyldwolf Nov 2014 #107
blahblahblah If the FDR I studied is not real, then who said this: Zorra Nov 2014 #108
So you 'studied' FDR and came away with one quote? wyldwolf Nov 2014 #110
I simply don't have any more time to waste on RW corporatist bullshit. nt Zorra Nov 2014 #111
Cop out alert!!! wyldwolf Nov 2014 #112
Buh-bye! Zorra Nov 2014 #114
aww! You found time to come back and say bye! wyldwolf Nov 2014 #115
FDR's Democratic Propaganda RiverLover Nov 2014 #65
Honestly I'd like to see the democratic party go into a more socialist direction. We need to craigmatic Nov 2014 #67
Me too. ~nt RiverLover Nov 2014 #91
FDR fought Wall Street, helped the unemployed become employed, and more... RiverLover Nov 2014 #90
FDR's policies are still alive in Europe. Strong safety net, high taxes, pampango Nov 2014 #109
Huh? True Blue Door Nov 2014 #120
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