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lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
13. The conversation usually goes something like this
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 11:19 PM
Nov 2014

The US is a racist society
- Not every white person is bigoted. In fact, I know I'm not.
As a member of this society, you are a inextricable part of it.
- What can I do besides not being racist myself?

... this is the point at which dialog falls apart.

I find it obvious that there's an element of cultural racism (call it white or asian privilege if you will) at work and that many individuals are racists. The problem comes from "then what? What should I do to help mitigate the problem?"

I think that a better conversation is this;
There are still racist institutions and attitudes in the US.
I agree, and it bothers me too.
Let me tell you about my racial experience so we can explore how they differ from yours.

At that point we can create allies and raise awareness instead of shutting down into perceived personal attacks and retreat into tribalism.

I think the OP is right, and I've experienced it here. "Racism" to white people is the individually mediated form. Racism to black people is primarily the institutional form.

To a white person "racist" is a finger in the chest. To a black person "not racist" denies the reality of their daily life.

Can't buy this, TBH. Sorry. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #1
Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #4
For God's sake, JUST IGNORE HIM. Number23 Nov 2014 #6
You speak truth ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #7
I know and I hear you. But still... that person is so NOT worth the time and effort Number23 Nov 2014 #11
I've got to agree with Number23 JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #22
LOL, he's quoting fake social scientists now?!? TBH, that is not surprising bettyellen Nov 2014 #35
LOL... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #37
oh my, that is some ignorant shit right there. holy crap, talk about flawed methodologies...... bettyellen Nov 2014 #47
Well actually JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #43
This poster inserts himself into every conversation about race .. kwassa Nov 2014 #9
I'm so white I should be a spokeswoman for Clorox XemaSab Nov 2014 #23
Oh Joe, TBH always so predictable. Rex Nov 2014 #29
Not exactly an intelligent answer, I'm sad to say. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #31
post some of this "good stuff" coming out of sociology on race…. bettyellen Nov 2014 #36
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #38
This article should be required reading for DU ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #2
Nicholas Kristof took a test a few months ago that said he had some small amount of bias. applegrove Nov 2014 #3
This is something that black people and people of color have been saying FOREVER Number23 Nov 2014 #5
I see many people have a problem where they avoid the topic all together or get angry about it. bravenak Nov 2014 #8
I remember getting in trouble as a young adult for telling a potential hirer that everyone has uppityperson Nov 2014 #10
Here is a great section from this article: kwassa Nov 2014 #12
The conversation usually goes something like this lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #13
Oh, here's a good direction I've gone after that point: Recursion Nov 2014 #15
That's a really good question to ask JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #21
Is it about the person or the culture? lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #26
This is the key point brought up by Ferguson. kwassa Nov 2014 #27
Jeff, this is possibly the best post on this thread. I gotta be honest. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #33
Why do you think that people are not understanding gollygee Nov 2014 #42
I've noticed that too - and always misunderstood JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #44
K and R for the OP and .... etherealtruth Nov 2014 #14
Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #40
Required reading for DU! The racism here has become nearly unbearable. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #16
Surely you kid? I don't think people here would put up with it. I have not seen it. applegrove Nov 2014 #17
You're probably right. But where do we go from here? I feel as though there's hope! Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #19
There is a good start to a discussion. applegrove Nov 2014 #20
I'm going to post some Tim Wise stuff, too. He's so good at this. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #18
As a white I must be weird damnedifIknow Nov 2014 #24
These tests find subconscious bias. A tiny bit. Believe me I had no idea either. applegrove Nov 2014 #28
You aren't alone; the majority of our fellow Americans in general haven't, to be truthful...... AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #32
kick gollygee Nov 2014 #25
Social engineering. Many people are led to believe racism doesn't exist anywhere but the South. Rex Nov 2014 #30
Racism actually HAS declined on the whole, by and large. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #34
As evidenced by? TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #39
Evidence? ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #41
He said on the whole so I'm not even worried about the tiny DU sample or TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #46
The acceptance of interracial marriage should be a big clue, for one. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #48
Acceptance or 6 or 7 decades of legal precedent. I don't know, still plenty of haters hating TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #49
excellent article. nt m-lekktor Nov 2014 #45
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