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In reply to the discussion: This is what a REAL Democrat sounds like. [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)He isn't sponsoring shit. Every single country agreed to the protocol for talks, including the USA, and he is the leader of the USA last time I checked. What--he's supposed to say "Fuck y'all?" Please.
There was secrecy surrounding these talks, and the reason they did that is so that people wouldn't be screaming about stuff on the table that WAS NOT GONNA HAPPEN. You can't have a freewheeling conversation unless you are actually FREE to speak FREELY. That includes crazy proposals from people who want their interests met. That doesn't mean that everyone in the meeting will roll over and agree.
Finally, Obama is not the King. "He" is not going to implement the TPP--there's going to be a vote on it, and he doesn't have a vote on it, either. People who claim to not like the TPP need to stop focusing on the President and start focusing on their own Senators. That IS how this stuff works.
But it's easy to scream "Bugaboo, bugaboo, TPP OBAMA" and way too many people pick up a pitchfork or a torch and start yelling "YEAH."
It's tiresome.
As for the Roosevelts, they were grand in their time. I doubt they'd be the "liberals" that people would expect them to be, would that they be transported in Stewie's time machine to this century. They were raised in a particular environment with particular mores. The world is very, very different today. I think they'd have a tough time adjusting.