And now, the Senate. Which Democrats actually won and lost?

[wyldwolf]

48. You've gotten way off track in your reply

There is no problem identifying actual Democrats. You do it by the issues they support. Not sure why you think that is so hard.

Why do you think I find that hard? Just what makes people like Mark Warner, a centrist Dem, NOT a Democrat? Where do you get your criteria?

DU's The Magistrate said it best. Accepting that there is an imperfect fit between the Democratic Party and the furthest aims of left and progressive people, several things must be acknowledged.

First, it has to be acknowledged that left and progressive people really do not have solid ground to proclaim they and only they are true Democrats, or are the real base of the Democratic Party, and that people who are left of center or center-left or even centrists are not really Democrats.

Second, left and progressive people need to consider whether the tactic of attacking people who are perhaps a bit to the right of them, though generally well to the left of a national average, or of the average in the locale where they reside, as rightists who do not belong in the Democratic Party, is likely to expand and increase their influence in the Democratic Party, and advance the prospects of actually getting laws and regulations they would like to see adopted come to pass.

There is a perennial brouha here about what constitutes a "real Democrat", most of which is conducted along lines that bear very little relation with the actual states and history of the Democratic Party. What is repudiated at the polls by the overwhelming preponderance of Democratic voters cannot be the real face of the Democratic Party. It really is that simple.

Why are there no Progressive Dems in those states? Because the Third Way leadership makes sure they don't win even if they do run. We've seen it numerous times, even if it means their Corporate Third Way candidates end up losing.

And here I thought you were going to have a fact-based discussion.