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liberalhistorian

(20,814 posts)
46. You are not grasping the context
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 12:23 PM
Dec 2014

of his loss. I live here in South Dakota, and can tell you what happened.

First, this is, after all, South Dakota, where republicans almost always win just for having an R next to their name. A republican could kill and eat a baby on live tv and still be elected because he's, well, a republican. Seriously. They have such a tight grip on this state, including the legislature, that I'm not sure anything will ever change that, not even being named one of the top most corrupt states in the country. People bitch and moan about it, but they'll find a way to blame the completely powerless Dems, who are barely alive as a party in this state, and keep pulling the lever for repubs no matter what.

Second, we had the factor of former Senator Larry Pressler being an independent candidate and sucking a lot of potential Weiland voters into his orbit. Rounds, the republican former governor, was so bad and corrupt and deeply into the EB-5 scandal that was a major part of the race (and is a big deal in this state) that several of the state's major newspapers took the unprecedented step of endorsing Pressler instead of Rounds, which had almost never happened before. Rounds actually did pretty badly for a republican in this state, he and his people and analysts and pundits had been expecting the usual republican blowout in these types of races, but he barely cleared fifty percent. And that's only because the RNC and worried PACS began pouring millions of dollars into his campaign a few weeks before the election. Had Pressler not been in the race, Weiland would have done far better. He still may not have actually won, but the percentages would have been far closer.

Third, you have the idiocy of the state Democratic party leadership, which, in the past four years, has lost two of the three federal offices (we only have one congressional rep for the whole state, which is bullshit if you ask me and many others, but that's a whole other can of worms for another thread) that we had and will continue to lose what precious little we do have in the legislature (we have no statewide offices) if they don't pull their heads out of their asses. Instead of proposing a real vision of what WE would do and how, which is what people would respond to, they spend ALL of their time on how bad and corrupt the republicans are. Well, yes, that's true, but you've got to also give people a reason to vote FOR you and not just be AGAINST everything all the time. Plus (and here's the big thing) they have GOT to get realistic and recognize that this is NOT a progressive-oriented state.

One of the reasons we've lost especially badly over the past four years is their refusal to recognize that. They rebuffed Stephanie Herseth Sandlin for running again and then running for the senate seat (and she's the only Dem who could have had a chance, frankly) because she wasn't "progressive or liberal" enough. Except that this state will NOT NOT NOT vote for the kind of liberal progressive they're insisting on. It just won't. It's like expecting Alabama to vote in Martin Luther King, Jr., as governor. Ain't gonna happen. They really need to pull their heads out of their asses on that one.

And, fourth and finally, Weiland had NO name recognition here, in a state where that is very important.

So there are all kinds of other factors that went into his loss other than just his campaigning on Medicare for all. And this state is even more hypocritical than usual when it comes to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, because economically we, as a state, rely very heavily on those especially in rural areas where they're the main source of medical payment and income sustenance. Yet they keep voting in idiots (and all three of our reps are now teanutter idiots, sadly) who enjoy their own lavish benefits while doing their best to take such benefits away from their state and away from the very people who pay those benefits. And yet idiots keep voting for them.

There is a serious conflict brewing Indydem Dec 2014 #1
Progressives have to decide whether they're going to desert the party pnwmom Dec 2014 #2
The party has deserted the people by allowing "Rethugs" to take it over. polichick Dec 2014 #4
And day after day, we have an element that is desperately imploring us to move further Zorra Dec 2014 #21
We're at an interesting place. The Third Way has almost nothing to do with... polichick Dec 2014 #31
Not much diversity with that bunch...nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #32
Or, I don't know, get more people to the polls on off-years (nt) Recursion Dec 2014 #6
Gee which States had the best turnout? Golly, it's all those dang liberal States like Oregon with Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #15
That would be hard to do in India. nt. Rex Dec 2014 #18
Now you hit the nail on the head. Maybe if you stopped trying to justify the wrong direction sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #23
Good luck with that approach, we've already passed my acceptability line. Keep going and it is you TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #25
Conservadems have already abandoned the party LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #48
No, nobody needs to be "purged". We have excellent progressive politicians in states they can win Recursion Dec 2014 #33
Other people see things... unrepentant progress Dec 2014 #3
Sure, but can you really say that's WHY he lost? tkmorris Dec 2014 #5
No, but it's not a good place to start a pitch from Recursion Dec 2014 #7
Meh, politics is cyclical tkmorris Dec 2014 #14
Yes, that big a lose cannot be blamed on one thing. First of all what state are we talking about and jwirr Dec 2014 #8
South Dakota tkmorris Dec 2014 #12
And there is the problem. We need to go back to Howard Dean's 50 state plan, especially in off years jwirr Dec 2014 #13
Exactly! When a candidate receives little or no help it makes it more difficult to win. LiberalFighter Dec 2014 #29
Actually, no they didn't... brooklynite Dec 2014 #41
Okay. That explains a lot. I listened to Big Ed talk about that race and like the three party race jwirr Dec 2014 #43
No. But if he supports that, he is a TRUE progressive treestar Dec 2014 #36
It was South Dakota! Reddest of the red states. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #9
Yes, but they've elected Democratic senators for decades frazzled Dec 2014 #24
Medicare is a truly great program though it does have some flaws./NT DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #10
Step 1: Get into the DU/netroots bubble BootinUp Dec 2014 #11
So how do Barbara Boxer, Russ Feingold, Elizabeth Warren and Tom Harkin keep getting elected? Rex Dec 2014 #16
Because every state is different? JoePhilly Dec 2014 #26
Feingold lost JI7 Dec 2014 #30
Feingold lost, and Warren has been elected once Recursion Dec 2014 #34
Feingold won three times, lost once (in the teabagger wave of 2010). In 2012 ... Scuba Dec 2014 #39
Because we've ran away from that principle for so long it's now considered fringe. Ykcutnek Dec 2014 #17
Personally I go to the DSCC with Jeff Merkley's victory with a 20% margin. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #19
Yep. nt LWolf Dec 2014 #22
This cycle? You obviously know I didn't, which is kind of a cheap shot. Though I did phone bank. Recursion Dec 2014 #35
We can of course change to sadoldgirl Dec 2014 #20
By telling them to make the case on a national 50 state basis on point Dec 2014 #27
Different states are different. JoePhilly Dec 2014 #28
he obviously should have run on a conservative Democrat platform neverforget Dec 2014 #37
You left out the ~20% in SD who voted for Pressler (the ex Republican now independent) alp227 Dec 2014 #38
More right-wing dribble. . drip drip drip drip. . . B Calm Dec 2014 #40
I can't think of a better reason not to do the right thing. mmonk Dec 2014 #42
the voters would rather give Billionaires a better life than have a better life themselves.. you Cha Dec 2014 #44
Ho about that pesky fact that Reid didn't want or support him and in fact said Autumn Dec 2014 #45
You are not grasping the context liberalhistorian Dec 2014 #46
I admire your work to make Democrats more like Republicans LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #47
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