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cascadiance

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23. For torture in Vietnam, it's worth studying the "Vietnam Project" and Stan Sheinbaum...
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 12:29 AM
Dec 2014

Rent the documentary "Citizen Stan" to see how he started his prolific life that was a part of things like the Pentagon Papers, working for the welfare of Greek imprisoned leader Papandreou, the Israeli and Yasser Arafat summit, and the L.A. riots after Rodney King, etc.

http://www.citizenstan.com/

But Sheinbaum started leading the Vietnam project at Michigan State University, which was infiltrated by the CIA, so that members of the project were helping train the South Vietnamese to torture the Viet Cong. A Ramparts article which Sheinbaum wrote in after he left the project documents this earlier in the 60's.

http://www.namebase.org/campus/msu.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stanley-k-sheinbaum/vietnam-project-michigan-state-university_b_1973274.html

Duped by the CIA

...

"CIA? What CIA people?"

He seemed perplexed. "The ones on the fifth floor, Professor Sheinbaum."

It became clear to me after a few more discreet, and not-so-discreet, probing interviews that the "policing" part of the project in Vietnam proper was being run by the CIA, and that they were dealing in counter-insurgency, torture, intimidation of the populace, police undercover infiltration of Buddhist organizations and government control of the media and pro-government propaganda. I was shocked. We were a cover for the United States government to prop up an anti-democratic South Vietnamese regime.

Okay, keeping it real, at that time in my life I honestly might have been able to accept some of that activity "to stop the Communist threat," but I could not come to terms with the fact that our supposedly college-administered aid project was working secretly with the CIA to create and manage a puppet government under the cover of Michigan State University. This seemed to me to be against the very principles we were supposed to be promoting.

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After Sheinbaum had left the project and the Vietnam Project was shut down, MSU kept their USAID efforts going in Southeast Asia, and my dad took us over there at that time working for them, and I didn't know about this history until much later when I saw that documentary. I've even had a phone conversation on this with Mr. Sheinbaum in recent years.

And note in these articles that after this project and our living over their too, MSU president John Hannah was "rewarded" with being made head of USAID in those days, so underhanded political favors happened then too.
i hear cheney arguing it's not torture. this question was settled long, long ago. spanone Dec 2014 #1
Corporate media hacks ignore the history of waterboarding. gordianot Dec 2014 #2
January 21, 1968: US Soldier Convicted of Waterboarding North Vietnamese Prisoner Agnosticsherbet Dec 2014 #3
Interesting Egnever Dec 2014 #7
Of course we did. The pretense on this subject is wicked and highly delusional. TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #4
The U.S. used waterboarding in Vietnam. former9thward Dec 2014 #5
and he was convicted… nt. Raine1967 Dec 2014 #20
No, he was court marshaled. former9thward Dec 2014 #24
For torture in Vietnam, it's worth studying the "Vietnam Project" and Stan Sheinbaum... cascadiance Dec 2014 #23
You will have to excuse me if I don't take Mcinsane as an expert on American history. Egnever Dec 2014 #6
"Mcinsane" knows more about torture ... bvar22 Dec 2014 #8
True. former9thward Dec 2014 #13
That doesn't mean he knows our history. Egnever Dec 2014 #21
I was told by a eyewitness that we executed hundreds WHEN CRABS ROAR Dec 2014 #9
I was told by my uncle.The soldiers were told to lose them. easychoice Dec 2014 #18
Yeah but that was different mindwalker_i Dec 2014 #10
The comments for that piece at MotherJones are eye-popping. n/t countryjake Dec 2014 #11
Japanese Methods of Prisoner of War Interrogation Octafish Dec 2014 #12
Kick and Rec! zappaman Dec 2014 #14
I've heard jokes about 'The Chinese Water Torture'. trof Dec 2014 #15
But that was so 1948 - SARCASM ashling Dec 2014 #16
The redefining of "torture" by Bushco was absolutely Orwellian. annominous Dec 2014 #17
archaic banter about draconian methods laserhaas Dec 2014 #19
Not exactly because of waterboarding... bobclark86 Dec 2014 #22
We also won the war AnalystInParadise Dec 2014 #25
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