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NickB79

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14. I'd say he's not being pessimistic at all

Reply to Fred Sanders (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 12:05 PM

Dec 2014

http://www.democraticunderground.com/112779194

63 Scientists Of 13 Nations Publish 2014 Arctic Report Card; Relentless, Long-Term Decline

And that's with only 0.8C of warming so far over 150 years. Current carbon trends make it appear very unlikely we can stay below the arbitrary "safe" limit of 2C warming this century.

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Are low prices a crude awakening for climate activists? [View all] ellenrr Dec 2014 OP

Of course. truebluegreen Dec 2014 #1

speaking of seen to be changing: ellenrr Dec 2014 #2

Yes, I saw that. truebluegreen Dec 2014 #4

Depends on how long the lower prices hold probably BootinUp Dec 2014 #3

Kuwait says prices should recover somewhat in 2nd half of 2015 davidn3600 Dec 2014 #5

This is exactly why we need carbon taxes and severe tariffs against polluting countries on point Dec 2014 #6

well, I beieve it is somewhat a moot point, ellenrr Dec 2014 #7

Climate change is now built into the system, but climate catastrophe, that can be prevented. Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #8

I'm not being a pessimist, I'm listening to scientists... ellenrr Dec 2014 #9

OK, we are listening to different scientists, that is fine. Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #10

Are you saying scientists can disagree? dumbcat Dec 2014 #13

gosh - a reasonable person! :) ellenrr Dec 2014 #15

I'd say he's not being pessimistic at all NickB79 Dec 2014 #14

"Current carbon trends". Change the trends, maybe? Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #17

Peak oil and CO2 Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #11

There is no low price oil can possibly reach that will stop the Solarpocalypse. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #12

Oil and solar compete for entirely different niches and uses NickB79 Dec 2014 #16

Solar, storage, and EVs are mutually-reinforcing sectors. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #20

Improve the battery, improve the solar cell - viola. Who needs oil? Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #18

Yup. Or coal, or gas. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #21

Personally... 99Forever Dec 2014 #19