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True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
21. Yup. Or coal, or gas.
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 12:56 PM
Dec 2014

It's obvious when you think about it - the Sun is a giant ball of free fusion energy hanging in the sky half the time. We already burn its energy in the form of fossilized organisms either fed directly by it or fed by things that are (or that fed on those), so why not cut out the Middlesaurus Tex and just go straight to the source?

The amount of economic activity that will flow from solar is unimaginable in human history. Neither oil nor coal has ever been cheap or ubiquitous enough to provide a meaningful analogy for what's going to happen.

And because - and this is an important fact that has to be stressed again - solar is a technology rather than a fuel, any bottlenecks anywhere in its feedstock supply chain can be sidestepped with innovation. There are so many different variously efficient configurations; and the elements that go into any given type of panel are so uniformly distributed around the world; that long-term monopolism is impossible.

There will never be a solar OPEC. If China overplays its current rare metals dominance, everyone else on Earth would simply dig into their own ground to get them, or innovate ways to use less of them, or both.

Of course. truebluegreen Dec 2014 #1
speaking of seen to be changing: ellenrr Dec 2014 #2
Yes, I saw that. truebluegreen Dec 2014 #4
Depends on how long the lower prices hold probably BootinUp Dec 2014 #3
Kuwait says prices should recover somewhat in 2nd half of 2015 davidn3600 Dec 2014 #5
This is exactly why we need carbon taxes and severe tariffs against polluting countries on point Dec 2014 #6
well, I beieve it is somewhat a moot point, ellenrr Dec 2014 #7
Climate change is now built into the system, but climate catastrophe, that can be prevented. Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #8
I'm not being a pessimist, I'm listening to scientists... ellenrr Dec 2014 #9
OK, we are listening to different scientists, that is fine. Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #10
Are you saying scientists can disagree? dumbcat Dec 2014 #13
gosh - a reasonable person! :) ellenrr Dec 2014 #15
I'd say he's not being pessimistic at all NickB79 Dec 2014 #14
"Current carbon trends". Change the trends, maybe? Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #17
Peak oil and CO2 Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #11
There is no low price oil can possibly reach that will stop the Solarpocalypse. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #12
Oil and solar compete for entirely different niches and uses NickB79 Dec 2014 #16
Solar, storage, and EVs are mutually-reinforcing sectors. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #20
Improve the battery, improve the solar cell - viola. Who needs oil? Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #18
Yup. Or coal, or gas. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #21
Personally... 99Forever Dec 2014 #19
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