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48. The problems with deBlasio and NYPD predate this shooting and are more complicated
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 01:21 AM
Dec 2014

than your comment:

Mayor-elect Bill de Blasio names Bill Bratton as New York police chief
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/05/bill-bratton-appointed-nyc-police-commissioner

NYC’s first lady on Bratton: ‘I told you we can’t trust him!’
http://nypost.com/2014/11/02/citys-first-lady-not-happy-with-bill-bratton/

Hell hath no fury like a first lady whose passed-over pick for police commissioner — the outgoing Chief of Department Philip Banks III — is further scorned.

“I told you we can’t trust him!” a furious Chirlane McCray railed at her husband, Mayor de Blasio, after learning that Police Commissioner Bill Bratton had stood up to Banks during a power struggle Friday that ended with the chief’s resignation, sources told The Post.

By “him” McCray meant Bratton, whom she never wanted to see at the commissioner’s desk.

“She is friendly with Banks, and he was her choice” for commissioner, a source said.

“She was very upset when he resigned,” the source said of ­McCray, who has sat in on NYPD CompStat meetings, and whom de Blasio has called his most trusted adviser.

By Friday afternoon, de Blasio had summoned Bratton to City Hall, blasting him face to face for not catering to Banks, who had resigned rather than take a promotion to No. 2 at the NYPD — a position Banks felt was powerless.


What’s going on inside the NYPD?
http://nypost.com/2014/11/02/whats-going-on-inside-the-nypd/

Last Tuesday, Police Commissioner William Bratton announced that with the departure of First Deputy Commissioner Rafael Pineiro, he was promoting Chief of Department Philip Banks to take over the post.

On Friday, before Banks could even be sworn in, he announced he wasn’t taking the job and resigned from the police department. Supposedly, Bratton had reneged on a promise to give him real authority as first deputy.


Bill de Blasio details talk with biracial son about interacting with police
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/de-blasio-details-talk-son-dealing-cops-article-1.2036870

Police fury at mayor’s racial smear
http://nypost.com/2014/12/04/police-union-prez-rips-de-blasio-over-eric-garner/

The NYPD’s rank and file reacted with fury Thursday at being “thrown under the bus” by Mayor Bill de Blasio, who said he and First Lady Chirlane McCray had trained their mixed-race son, Dante, about the “dangers” posed by cops.

Pat Lynch, president of the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association, blasted de Blasio for his inflammatory remarks, which followed Wednesday’s decision by a Staten Island grand jury not to indict cop Daniel Pantaleo in the chokehold death of Eric Garner.

“What police officers felt yesterday after that press conference was that they were thrown under the bus,” Lynch said.

De Blasio had called the Garner case “profoundly personal for me,” saying that because of “the dangers [Dante] may face, we’ve had to literally train him . . . in how to take special care in any encounter he has with the police officers who are there to protect him.”

The comments angered cops, with one saying, “Did he tell his son to be wary of his police bodyguards, that he should be afraid of them as they pick him up at school and drive him where he needs to go?”

Lynch railed that de Blasio effectively told New Yorkers to teach their kids “that they should be afraid of New York City police officers.”

“That’s not true!” Lynch shouted. “Our city is safe because of police officers. All of our sons and daughters walk the streets in safety because of police officers. They should be afraid of the criminals. That’s what we should be teaching.”



Rebels without a case
http://nypost.com/2014/12/05/rebels-without-a-case/

This week Mayor de Blasio cited the “will of the people” as grounds for imposing reforms aimed at making what he basically says is a racist NYPD care about black lives.


There's a lot more, but you get the picture. Your well-meant comment is actually demonstrating ignorance of the longstanding battle between Bratton/NYPD and the mayor. DeBlasio appointed Bratton, but there seems to have been mistrust since the beginning, and DeBlasio's wife has played a significant role. (Even if her opinions were correct, no one likes the unelected wife of a politician to involve herself so closely in decision-making. That's why Michelle Obama is doing diet and food and Laura Bush focused on literacy.)

DeBlasio makes it worse by implying that the NYPD officers who are protecting his son 24/7 are actually racist and might harm him. DeBlasio is also throwing around racism of the NYPD in speeches about the recent court decisions. You can see how a cop on the street might get the idea that DeBlasio was deliberately flaming racial tensions and trying to get them killed. This is certainly not true--DeBlasio is only talking to the base and trying to show his sympathy--but the cops feel that his remarks about race justify attacks on them by protestors and others.

It's a complicated situation requiring a complicated diplomatic solution, where De Blasio and Bratton sit down and iron things out. It's not a simple one-off comment in a newspaper.
He did not murder his ex girlfriend. He shot her, but she is alive and expected to recover. nt kelly1mm Dec 2014 #1
I stand corrected. markpkessinger Dec 2014 #6
To many it will affect the import as they will (reasonably) question your knowledge of the basic kelly1mm Dec 2014 #10
judgy and patroniZing elehhhhna Dec 2014 #13
+10000 CatWoman Dec 2014 #14
I did not find the OP judgy or patronizing, but I can see how some would. I simply thought kelly1mm Dec 2014 #16
No, I don't agree, although I get your point. Atman Dec 2014 #24
Wait, yout don''t agree that since R's do not know the basic facts of climate change, that we kelly1mm Dec 2014 #41
That isn't what you asked. Atman Dec 2014 #42
Oh wait, you thought it was me that was judgy and patronizing, not the OP? kelly1mm Dec 2014 #45
No That's Not The Reason To Disregard What They Say ProfessorGAC Dec 2014 #72
-------------Whoosh!!!!!!!------------- Tsiyu Dec 2014 #43
Yep, things fly over my head all the time. Planes, stars, planets etc ........, why do you ask? nt kelly1mm Dec 2014 #44
... Tsiyu Dec 2014 #46
Meh. markpkessinger Dec 2014 #17
I agree. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #25
This is assuming that everyone who reads his comment LiberalElite Dec 2014 #37
Way over the top lunasun Dec 2014 #2
".....those that allowed this to go on will be held accountable." Hoppy Dec 2014 #5
What does it mean when any other unions makes a similar statement? branford Dec 2014 #19
BS, I have never heard another union make threats as intimidating as these. Live and Learn Dec 2014 #58
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. GeorgeGist Dec 2014 #3
I hope you take that to heart Sanity Claws Dec 2014 #11
! CatWoman Dec 2014 #15
+1 BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #20
I'm with you on this Kessinger... rgbecker Dec 2014 #4
K&R abelenkpe Dec 2014 #7
Totally agree Mark PumpkinAle Dec 2014 #8
The PBA comments were grotesque and sickeningly callous. DirkGently Dec 2014 #9
Doesn't the chief of police sulphurdunn Dec 2014 #12
The chief (commissioner) of police didn't make the remarks . . . markpkessinger Dec 2014 #18
The commissioner runs the department. sulphurdunn Dec 2014 #22
Agree 100%! n/t markpkessinger Dec 2014 #28
The officers also turned their backs on the Commissioner, btw n/t markpkessinger Dec 2014 #30
I wonder if the message was sulphurdunn Dec 2014 #38
Agreed BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #21
Unfortunately, it does work with a lot of people. nt tblue37 Dec 2014 #47
But those people are authoritarians BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #55
I've been trying to find comments made after the RW domestic terrorists killed officers blm Dec 2014 #23
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Dec 2014 #26
Nice post. Full of truthiness! nt kelliekat44 Dec 2014 #27
Not sure how to interpret that n/t markpkessinger Dec 2014 #29
If you are using 'truthiness' the way it is typically used . . . markpkessinger Dec 2014 #33
This is actually the first time I have read that the girlfriend was not actually murdered Kalidurga Dec 2014 #31
k&r.... spanone Dec 2014 #32
k/r Dawson Leery Dec 2014 #34
Eric Cartman would take offense n/t VWolf Dec 2014 #68
Very well stated. onecaliberal Dec 2014 #35
Strongly agree with your NYT comments lexington filly Dec 2014 #36
kick. rec. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2014 #39
Thank you. Well said. nt truebluegreen Dec 2014 #40
The problems with deBlasio and NYPD predate this shooting and are more complicated Wella Dec 2014 #48
I addressed some of this in another Times comment that I just posted . . . markpkessinger Dec 2014 #49
That's more contextualized Wella Dec 2014 #50
I don't believe there is any political 'context' that justifies . . . markpkessinger Dec 2014 #51
They believe that the Mayor's statements have been irresponsible Wella Dec 2014 #52
And that is a belief that is without merit . . . markpkessinger Dec 2014 #53
No, it's not, if you assume that the Baltimore gunman saw the Mayor's telecast, but Wella Dec 2014 #54
And how does attempting to kill his girlfriend, and then killing himself . . . markpkessinger Dec 2014 #56
Same reason lots of shootings go that way Wella Dec 2014 #57
Even if his primary motivation could be established to be killing cops . . . markpkessinger Dec 2014 #59
It would depend if he had actually seen and heard the Mayor's statement and if Wella Dec 2014 #60
I believe this latest coverage from the NY Times . . . markpkessinger Dec 2014 #61
Many non-killers have taken meds and have been under a therapist's care Wella Dec 2014 #62
Mental illness, in many cases, does not impair executive functioning . . . markpkessinger Dec 2014 #63
But that's not the narrative that the Times is building. Wella Dec 2014 #64
Getting on a bus is getting on a bus . . . markpkessinger Dec 2014 #65
You're not seeing the pattern Wella Dec 2014 #66
To the extent the Times is presenting a 'narrative' . . . markpkessinger Dec 2014 #67
I couldn"t agree with you more. Denis 11 Dec 2014 #69
Not political, but sociopathic Shoonra Dec 2014 #70
Why discount his in star am message? maced666 Dec 2014 #71
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