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In reply to the discussion: A comment I posted to the NY Times reportage of the two murdered officers [View all]Wella
(1,827 posts)48. The problems with deBlasio and NYPD predate this shooting and are more complicated
than your comment:
Mayor-elect Bill de Blasio names Bill Bratton as New York police chief
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/05/bill-bratton-appointed-nyc-police-commissioner
NYCs first lady on Bratton: I told you we cant trust him!
http://nypost.com/2014/11/02/citys-first-lady-not-happy-with-bill-bratton/
Hell hath no fury like a first lady whose passed-over pick for police commissioner the outgoing Chief of Department Philip Banks III is further scorned.
I told you we cant trust him! a furious Chirlane McCray railed at her husband, Mayor de Blasio, after learning that Police Commissioner Bill Bratton had stood up to Banks during a power struggle Friday that ended with the chiefs resignation, sources told The Post.
By him McCray meant Bratton, whom she never wanted to see at the commissioners desk.
She is friendly with Banks, and he was her choice for commissioner, a source said.
She was very upset when he resigned, the source said of McCray, who has sat in on NYPD CompStat meetings, and whom de Blasio has called his most trusted adviser.
By Friday afternoon, de Blasio had summoned Bratton to City Hall, blasting him face to face for not catering to Banks, who had resigned rather than take a promotion to No. 2 at the NYPD a position Banks felt was powerless.
Whats going on inside the NYPD?
http://nypost.com/2014/11/02/whats-going-on-inside-the-nypd/
Last Tuesday, Police Commissioner William Bratton announced that with the departure of First Deputy Commissioner Rafael Pineiro, he was promoting Chief of Department Philip Banks to take over the post.
On Friday, before Banks could even be sworn in, he announced he wasnt taking the job and resigned from the police department. Supposedly, Bratton had reneged on a promise to give him real authority as first deputy.
Bill de Blasio details talk with biracial son about interacting with police
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/de-blasio-details-talk-son-dealing-cops-article-1.2036870
Police fury at mayors racial smear
http://nypost.com/2014/12/04/police-union-prez-rips-de-blasio-over-eric-garner/
The NYPDs rank and file reacted with fury Thursday at being thrown under the bus by Mayor Bill de Blasio, who said he and First Lady Chirlane McCray had trained their mixed-race son, Dante, about the dangers posed by cops.
Pat Lynch, president of the Patrolmens Benevolent Association, blasted de Blasio for his inflammatory remarks, which followed Wednesdays decision by a Staten Island grand jury not to indict cop Daniel Pantaleo in the chokehold death of Eric Garner.
What police officers felt yesterday after that press conference was that they were thrown under the bus, Lynch said.
De Blasio had called the Garner case profoundly personal for me, saying that because of the dangers [Dante] may face, weve had to literally train him . . . in how to take special care in any encounter he has with the police officers who are there to protect him.
The comments angered cops, with one saying, Did he tell his son to be wary of his police bodyguards, that he should be afraid of them as they pick him up at school and drive him where he needs to go?
Lynch railed that de Blasio effectively told New Yorkers to teach their kids that they should be afraid of New York City police officers.
Thats not true! Lynch shouted. Our city is safe because of police officers. All of our sons and daughters walk the streets in safety because of police officers. They should be afraid of the criminals. Thats what we should be teaching.
Rebels without a case
http://nypost.com/2014/12/05/rebels-without-a-case/
This week Mayor de Blasio cited the will of the people as grounds for imposing reforms aimed at making what he basically says is a racist NYPD care about black lives.
There's a lot more, but you get the picture. Your well-meant comment is actually demonstrating ignorance of the longstanding battle between Bratton/NYPD and the mayor. DeBlasio appointed Bratton, but there seems to have been mistrust since the beginning, and DeBlasio's wife has played a significant role. (Even if her opinions were correct, no one likes the unelected wife of a politician to involve herself so closely in decision-making. That's why Michelle Obama is doing diet and food and Laura Bush focused on literacy.)
DeBlasio makes it worse by implying that the NYPD officers who are protecting his son 24/7 are actually racist and might harm him. DeBlasio is also throwing around racism of the NYPD in speeches about the recent court decisions. You can see how a cop on the street might get the idea that DeBlasio was deliberately flaming racial tensions and trying to get them killed. This is certainly not true--DeBlasio is only talking to the base and trying to show his sympathy--but the cops feel that his remarks about race justify attacks on them by protestors and others.
It's a complicated situation requiring a complicated diplomatic solution, where De Blasio and Bratton sit down and iron things out. It's not a simple one-off comment in a newspaper.
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A comment I posted to the NY Times reportage of the two murdered officers [View all]
markpkessinger
Dec 2014
OP
He did not murder his ex girlfriend. He shot her, but she is alive and expected to recover. nt
kelly1mm
Dec 2014
#1
To many it will affect the import as they will (reasonably) question your knowledge of the basic
kelly1mm
Dec 2014
#10
I did not find the OP judgy or patronizing, but I can see how some would. I simply thought
kelly1mm
Dec 2014
#16
Wait, yout don''t agree that since R's do not know the basic facts of climate change, that we
kelly1mm
Dec 2014
#41
Yep, things fly over my head all the time. Planes, stars, planets etc ........, why do you ask? nt
kelly1mm
Dec 2014
#44
BS, I have never heard another union make threats as intimidating as these.
Live and Learn
Dec 2014
#58
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
GeorgeGist
Dec 2014
#3
I've been trying to find comments made after the RW domestic terrorists killed officers
blm
Dec 2014
#23
This is actually the first time I have read that the girlfriend was not actually murdered
Kalidurga
Dec 2014
#31
The problems with deBlasio and NYPD predate this shooting and are more complicated
Wella
Dec 2014
#48
I addressed some of this in another Times comment that I just posted . . .
markpkessinger
Dec 2014
#49
No, it's not, if you assume that the Baltimore gunman saw the Mayor's telecast, but
Wella
Dec 2014
#54
And how does attempting to kill his girlfriend, and then killing himself . . .
markpkessinger
Dec 2014
#56
Even if his primary motivation could be established to be killing cops . . .
markpkessinger
Dec 2014
#59
Mental illness, in many cases, does not impair executive functioning . . .
markpkessinger
Dec 2014
#63