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Igel

(35,270 posts)
5. Probably not.
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 01:51 PM
Dec 2014

Yeah, the German term was prior. In German.

What's missing is a link that has some semblance of causality.

Especially since a buzzword for the years ahead of it was "enhanced." We "enhanced" everything, from computers to corporate structure to the taste of chocolate and carbonation. "Enhanced meditation practices" wasn't a Gestapo term. Hell, they didn't really speak English that well anyway.

Simpler and probably more plausible to say that it was a neologism in English.

Note that the German term can be translated a few different ways and for decades "verschaerfte Vernehmungen" was translated as "sharpened interrogation." It's a lazy translation, more of a calque than a translation, but clear enough for government use. If we borrowed the term from German we'd say "verschaerft" and not "enhanced." If we relied on the translations of German materials then extent for our term we'd say "sharpened." Unless we really want to say that the Bushites all eschewed translations in favor of the original German. That's not at all klar.

The English "enhanced" translation--which was indeed an enhanced translation, since it sounds native and not foreignizing--came about later. Whatever the suggested source of the techniques themselves, the English "enhanced term" is almost certainly homegrown. It pays to distinguish between Wort and Sach, between word and thing, between signifier and signified. It's one of the first steps to abandoning magic.

In NYC of all places Americans went out of their way to elect a known criminal randys1 Dec 2014 #1
We've done that for years here in California. Cleita Dec 2014 #2
Forgot about him, Republicans consider these criminals as heroes. randys1 Dec 2014 #3
Look up Charles Colson too jmowreader Dec 2014 #9
"Charles "Tex" Colson...was the only person from Dick's White House to be sent to prison BumRushDaShow Dec 2014 #21
You're right, thanks jmowreader Dec 2014 #23
I remember watching the hearings BumRushDaShow Dec 2014 #31
They need to reopen Joliet for Liddy jmowreader Dec 2014 #38
Too far gone. We're sitting ducks. Done. n/t Triana Dec 2014 #4
Probably not. Igel Dec 2014 #5
Can't link from a mobile device. Cleita Dec 2014 #7
Thanks, Cleita Thespian2 Dec 2014 #14
The linguistic subtleties do not detract from the fact that JDPriestly Dec 2014 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Cleita Dec 2014 #6
The British put children in concentration camps during the Boer War. yardwork Dec 2014 #8
Torture itself dates back to the beginning of civilization. What's Cleita Dec 2014 #18
What I'm saying ua the Third Reich learned from us. yardwork Dec 2014 #33
The Catholic Church tortured during the inquisitions. Torture is probably JDPriestly Dec 2014 #37
Because it worked then, and now. Hulk Dec 2014 #34
I remember now Hulk Dec 2014 #35
Truman worried CIA would morph into GESTAPO Octafish Dec 2014 #10
Beat me to it by 2 minutes... and did a much better job... SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #13
No race -- just want to peg the NAZI-lubbing so-and-sos for what they are: Fascists. Octafish Dec 2014 #24
Yeah, and they're gonna get away with it... SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #28
The people on whom Smedley Butler blew the whistle hifiguy Dec 2014 #43
link? arely staircase Dec 2014 #11
Can't link from a mobile device, however Octafish put up a Cleita Dec 2014 #15
Not just the term... (which actually means "sharpened or intensified") SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #12
Thanks. I need to study this more. I thought I was pretty much up on all Cleita Dec 2014 #16
I do find it interesting that whenever the current "boogyman" is in the news SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #17
I think it's pretty calculating. Cleita Dec 2014 #32
"Was, ich soll mir Sorgen machen?"---Prescott Bush. WinkyDink Dec 2014 #19
Are you saying Alfred E. Neuman was really Prescott Bush? eom Cleita Dec 2014 #22
"Well, they brought it on themselves"---Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. reddread Dec 2014 #25
Now they want you to call it 'EIT'. It's torture. grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #20
How is adding a word making it okay?eom Cleita Dec 2014 #27
It's all harmless, abstract abbreviations until somebody slams your head against a wall. DetlefK Dec 2014 #29
We borrowed a lot from the NAZIs when forming our CIA and other intelligence agencies after JDPriestly Dec 2014 #26
So we take from the worst instead of the best. Cleita Dec 2014 #30
You got it. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #39
"Befehl ist Befehl" ("orders are orders") is back by popular demand from the torturers. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #40
The OSS snapped up all the high-level Nazis they could find hifiguy Dec 2014 #41
Operation Paperclip arikara Dec 2014 #42
There you go... MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #44
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