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DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
27. We keep ignoring the forest for the trees.
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 01:01 PM
Jan 2015

Increasingly, it seems like a part of the diametric division we have in our culture is deciding whether problems -- like "terrorism" -- are due to individual bad people or a situational dynamic. That dictates how we address the problem, and so far we're not doing well.

At heart, all of this "stuff" is just another resource / territory contest, isn't it? The West interferes with the Middle East for strategic reasons -- largely oil but also control of certain ports in that part of the world. The response in that part of the world has been the rise of radical Islam -- take away all the Western interference, and what support does it have?

But once things get nasty, everything gets characterized on the basis of whatever horrendous thing happened last. Sure, we annihilated hundreds of thousands of innocents in Iraq, but then those guys cut that man's head off, so let's go back and do it again. And again ...

What's more, all of this has become a business for the combatants on both sides. McCain / Cheney et al. apparently get paid by the bullet or by the American body bag, so they will beat the drums of war at every opportunity.

But Al Quaeda and Isis are in "business" too. They're the Coke and Pepsi of jihadism at this point. They recruit on the Internet; advertise on social media. Hold prisoners for large cash ransoms. We are being manipulated into a cycle of war because it's making people on all sides MONEY.

We have built this beast, and we're not going to take it down by whack-a-mole-ing every group that arises to take advantage of the cash and the chaos to be had.

We're certainly not going to stop the cycle with drone strikes or another war in the desert or with more rhetoric over whose version of a 2,000 year-old religion is better.


Needs a kick for sanity n/t hootinholler Jan 2015 #1
K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2015 #2
September 12 - A Toy World whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #3
+a billion JonLP24 Jan 2015 #8
Sadly, he doesn't answer any of the questions I would have had for him Blue_Tires Jan 2015 #4
Why do you object to what WE did while trying to defend it apparently? 'The other guy did something sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #5
So the real question is, how to break the cycle? Blue_Tires Jan 2015 #9
Politicians who are not beholden to donations from Corporations, including Defense Contractors is sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #13
+1 Scuba Jan 2015 #15
What he is saying is quite obvious - they are using us to recruit fighters all over the world. No jwirr Jan 2015 #6
So just a hypothetical question... Blue_Tires Jan 2015 #10
And in this I yeild ot you. No they would not. It is too late for that. Remember these countries jwirr Jan 2015 #12
I'm hardly a fan of ISIS JonLP24 Jan 2015 #7
I can agree with your points Blue_Tires Jan 2015 #11
It is JonLP24 Jan 2015 #21
The Paris terrorists were orphans, too! OldEurope Jan 2015 #29
Hey, you can't have a war on terror, and the resulting profits, without creating more terrorists. Scuba Jan 2015 #14
He reads like he has Stockholm. nt msanthrope Jan 2015 #16
I thought the same thing leftynyc Jan 2015 #19
He says their brutality is on another level JonLP24 Jan 2015 #22
Just barely leftynyc Jan 2015 #23
I don't disagree our actions created more JonLP24 Jan 2015 #24
When the neocons decided to invade the ME 'we will turn the ME into a glass parking lot' sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #25
That recitation of leftynyc Jan 2015 #26
Yes, it does. Because, this may be news to you, not all Muslims are the same. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #28
What horseshit leftynyc Jan 2015 #30
Actually that is not apparent at all. But again, this is has been the Western View, see Churchill eg sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #31
Don't you ever get tired leftynyc Jan 2015 #32
I never get tired of facts. I do get tired of the lumping of all 'brown people' into a simple sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #33
I'm not the one treating them as babies leftynyc Jan 2015 #34
And his second point, the brutality, is glossed over as practically irrelevant. randome Jan 2015 #17
K&R woo me with science Jan 2015 #18
No-one for waging war on Iraq could not have believed anything otherwise would happen. polly7 Jan 2015 #20
We keep ignoring the forest for the trees. DirkGently Jan 2015 #27
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