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whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
4. Of similar beliefs, but dissimilar actions
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 01:27 PM
Feb 2015

I don't know if it's that Christian fundamentalists, who incidentally really are Christians with no need for hand-washing scare quotes, lack the courage of their convictions, or don't really believe in their own words, or are just less desperate with more to lose, but while you will get plenty saying gays and atheists and infidels should be wiped from the face of the Earth and that we should institute biblical law, very very few of them, thankfully, are willing to put this into action. ISIS is not a massive group among Muslims, but they number well into 5 digits of people who really are willing to kill/die to try and return to a medieval theocracy, including using appropraitely barbaric means.

I just don't see that so much with their ideological kinfolk in the middle brother among desert monotheisms, or eldest brother even. Uganda et al have some homophobes who make Pat Robertson look like Harvey Milk as far as actions rather than words go it's true, and there are various religio-tribal conflicts featuring Christians against Muslims in Northern Africa that claim lives aplenty, but there is no organized Christian fundamentalist theocratic army, despite the best efforts of some Talibornagain staff officers to turn our own into one, out there taking territory and turning their hegemony into a Cromwellian wet-dream of Puritanism, and it's worth noting that Christian organized mayhem only takes place on a large scale among the impoverished and desperate; I doubt we have to fear machete-wielding 700 Club attack squads soon.

The risk of Xian extremism is however more real in the US at least in another way. We aren't likely to be beheaded if we disagree, but we are likely to be legally, politically, and normatively marginalized and demonized thanks to the Christisn supermajority at the ballot box. The US is not likely to have fundamentalism forced on us at knifepoint. It's just quite likely to vote it into place, and has actually done so in a few cases already.

I have been saying for ages that I fear the fundamentalist reichwingnutjobs in this country niyad Feb 2015 #1
And you have been correct. riqster Feb 2015 #2
I think they both have extremist ideologies, but one is a specific organization and the other is not Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #3
I think it's more about funding, organization and opportunity. CJCRANE Feb 2015 #5
Of similar beliefs, but dissimilar actions whatthehey Feb 2015 #4
Actually, violent Christian extremists are quite a problem. riqster Feb 2015 #9
Sure - but nowhere near the same extent. There are Buddhist and Hindu terror groups too whatthehey Feb 2015 #12
If it's only a question of degree, I don't think my OP is disproved riqster Feb 2015 #14
Another point, albeit a minor one: riqster Feb 2015 #34
Best to confront these "terrorists" as soon as possible, like, at the visitor parking space. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #6
I am sure that would have stopped Eric Rudolph. riqster Feb 2015 #35
Well, the militant atheists managed to stop 3 religious types recently. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #39
Christian extremists have killed far more people than ISIS could ever dream of mwrguy Feb 2015 #7
I have no dog in the make believe fight, but this is not true recently whatthehey Feb 2015 #8
Depends on how narrowly you draw your definitions. riqster Feb 2015 #10
or how much you push the limits of definitions whatthehey Feb 2015 #13
The OP said that there are Moslem and Christian terrorist groups. riqster Feb 2015 #15
The rule of law in Western-style democracies makes 90% of your post pointless Pooka Fey Feb 2015 #11
Crap. Christian terrorists exist. riqster Feb 2015 #16
The western judicial system punishes criminal violence - religious inspired or otherwise Pooka Fey Feb 2015 #17
True, but not all that relevant in relation to the OP. riqster Feb 2015 #23
I don't make irrelevant posts. Pooka Fey Feb 2015 #25
And upon you, peace. riqster Feb 2015 #26
One way to dilute the atrocities of one group is by saying everyone does it. Kaleva Feb 2015 #18
And another way is to say "those other guys kill more people than these". riqster Feb 2015 #20
Case of the mistaken mondegreen seveneyes Feb 2015 #19
Wore my copy out, I must admit. riqster Feb 2015 #21
I completely agree with this el_bryanto Feb 2015 #22
I certainly did not mean to tar all Moslems and Christians with that brush. riqster Feb 2015 #24
Not at all - I appreciate that you made the distinction. el_bryanto Feb 2015 #27
Like Obama made crystal clear in his speech yesterday....both are evil...both cloak evil in religion Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #28
S'truth. riqster Feb 2015 #31
Also, largely ignored is the entirety of Obama's messsage, the media filters not only Obama to suit the agenda Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #33
Yeah, I usually wait for transcripts myself. riqster Feb 2015 #36
Here it is: Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #38
Thanks. riqster Feb 2015 #40
We can rein in domestic terrorism with one first step meow2u3 Feb 2015 #47
I would be interested in seeing a link Jenoch Feb 2015 #29
So, a beheading is worse than shooting an abortion provider? riqster Feb 2015 #30
+1000 hobbit709 Feb 2015 #32
When did 21 abortion providers Jenoch Feb 2015 #43
So it's quantity then? riqster Feb 2015 #44
I am not justifyig the shooting of a single Jenoch Feb 2015 #45
Nowhere in the OP did I claim quantitative equivalence. riqster Feb 2015 #46
And let's not forget the fatwa issued by the Pope against the guy who created "Piss Christ". Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #37
Damfino. riqster Feb 2015 #41
Not sure about the Pope, but Bill O'Reilly just issued a fatwa CJCRANE Feb 2015 #42
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