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TooPragmatic

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3. I'm surprised this didn't come from Alex Jones...
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 07:13 PM
Feb 2015

because this is probably the biggest pile of paranoid conspiracy crap I have read in a long time. No real evidence and crazy paranoia against any leadership position. Only NWO was left unmentioned.

Hindsight is the biggest enemy when looking at the past. Only by looking at things from the position from the past can one truly understand the decision that people made. To state that lenders knew about Greece all along is a claim based on no evidence. And Greece wasn't forced to take the money. To claim that Greece was forced to borrow all that money is similar to the right wing claim that banks were forced to give loans to people who couldn't afford to pay them a back and that was the cause of the 2008 bank crisis in the US. Greece acted knowingly with this and when the economy came down Greece couldn't cover it's losses and was forced to admit that they needed financial assistance. And it's easy to see why the Greek economy collapsed. Highest corruption rate in Europe, many didn't pay taxes, people employed by the government who didn't do anything and got lavish benefits. And many average Greeks had to pay for these mistakes dearly. And because Greece is a democracy, these debts have been gathered in their name.

But to say that Greece is being made into a feudal state has no reason behind it. All EU countries are democracies and to state that they simply puppets for some elites behind the curtain is some hardcore conspiracy bull. There has been a write down on the Greece debt. Many banks have paid fines and suffered for wrong doings. The EU is doing a crackdown on multinationals for their tax avoidance schemes and individual governments in the EU are being investigated for providing tax subsidies that are against market competition.

Should Greece get more lenient terms? In my opinion, yes. Should their debts be forgiven? Not for the moment. If they get to turn their country around and manage it responsibly, the climate could be better for it. But this text is nothing more than an embarrassment to anyone who wants to make this world a better place to live.

Thank you. woo me with science Feb 2015 #1
TY, woo me, mother earth Feb 2015 #2
I'm surprised this didn't come from Alex Jones... TooPragmatic Feb 2015 #3
Just because he uses the term endgame, doesn't translate "Alex Jones", and frankly I really don't mother earth Feb 2015 #4
If one is blind for a cause... TooPragmatic Feb 2015 #7
'Wonder' alone yourself! Many see the vampire squid and the troika for what they are. peacebird Feb 2015 #10
Who wants to take society down? You miss the point, my friend, and friend you will be once mother earth Feb 2015 #11
I checked those vids TooPragmatic Feb 2015 #13
I don't agree at all with you about the source of Greece's problems. It's the oligarchy, same as mother earth Feb 2015 #15
Don't just assume something about me TooPragmatic Feb 2015 #25
TY. I apologize, very often a new person is simply a troll, it is hard to know. I'm so glad you mother earth Feb 2015 #29
And I apologize for the Alex Jones stuff. TooPragmatic Feb 2015 #33
I reread your post, I'm thinking that you mean the other nations of the EU as lending creditors? mother earth Feb 2015 #16
and yes I ment the debt Greece owes to other EU countries and institutions TooPragmatic Feb 2015 #26
Yes, which is why every nation is watching what is taking place in the EU. One would be a fool mother earth Feb 2015 #30
I am very excited about Syriza, but he will have to watch his back. The predatory Capitalists are sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #37
If you get a chance to listen to deutsey's link to the Richard Wolf interview I think you mother earth Feb 2015 #38
I will definitely do that, thank you for posting it! n/t sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #39
I know you won't believe this.. sendero Feb 2015 #27
You make too many assumptions TooPragmatic Feb 2015 #32
Who was in charge of the Government when that deal was made? Airc, the people of Greece sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #40
Correction, 'all European countries USED to be democracies, until the Globalists set their sights on sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #34
We are witnessing this implosion even now. chervilant Feb 2015 #5
Excellent Post! mckara Feb 2015 #6
Yes, and the US has hooks ready for the Ukraine HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #8
There's a neverending supply of money for warring, and nothing left for anything more. nt mother earth Feb 2015 #20
Excellent piece! Thank you for posting it! scarletwoman Feb 2015 #9
I invite all of you to listen to Yanis Varoufakis on video/MM board of DU. nt mother earth Feb 2015 #12
Marxian economist Richard Wolff is about to be on KPFA talking about Greece deutsey Feb 2015 #14
TY, deutsey, if you can post a link for us here that would be great. mother earth Feb 2015 #17
Will do deutsey Feb 2015 #18
TY! Give us a synopsis if ya can, when you can. mother earth Feb 2015 #19
Link for "Letters and Politics" show with Richard Wolff deutsey Feb 2015 #21
TY. Starry Messenger Feb 2015 #22
Thanks so much. Snipped bio on Wolff from wikipedia: mother earth Feb 2015 #23
Excellent radio show, he pretty much says what happens in Greece happens here, alright, mother earth Feb 2015 #24
A comment on the Wolf link: Wow! Euphoria Feb 2015 #28
:) And I thought I liked Krugman...wow is right for Wolff. mother earth Feb 2015 #31
'How far you can push the working class in modern, industrial, advanced nations'. They did it in sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #35
Well said! mother earth Feb 2015 #36
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