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106. All the time? Not by a long shot.

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 06:49 AM

Feb 2015

But when someone tells an old, unfunny joke that you've heard a hundred times before, you can't help thinking of the punchline, no matter how sad and pathetic it is.

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You can't criticize one pseudoscience when supporting another. [View all] alp227 Feb 2015 OP

Not valid katsy Feb 2015 #1

If a personal choice is based on faulty logic, it deserves to be called so. alp227 Feb 2015 #7

Are u serious? katsy Feb 2015 #52

No it's not. Junk science is junk science. nt alp227 Feb 2015 #53

Even if we grant that anti-gmo is junk science mythology Feb 2015 #221

Yes, it does. HuckleB Feb 2015 #223

And anti-GMO people LIE and MISLEAD. Their lies hurt agriculture. alp227 Feb 2015 #240

I have no issue to call out faulty logic. But a choice to eat Non-GMO food.... LynneSin Feb 2015 #56

LOGIC - you are very very wrong SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2015 #205

Huh. HuckleB Feb 2015 #245

That's not where it stops, however. HuckleB Feb 2015 #211

logic fail ND-Dem Feb 2015 #2

Except that vaccines ARE tested and GMOs are NOT tested. immoderate Feb 2015 #3

GMO's ARE TESTED! alp227 Feb 2015 #6

Nonsense. Unlike your 'Popular Science' article, this links to a peer reviewed survey... immoderate Feb 2015 #21

That's not a real study. It's a politically driven survey. alp227 Feb 2015 #23

Can you cite a long term (more than 90 days) study that demonstrates this harmlessness? immoderate Feb 2015 #26

here alp227 Feb 2015 #27

David Tribe? You must be kidding. immoderate Feb 2015 #29

Does he still work for Monsanto? AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #178

there is overwhelming consensus among scientists and health professionals that GMOs are... mike_c Feb 2015 #34

Then you can point me to an independent, long-term study that demonstrates this safety? immoderate Feb 2015 #44

here are links to nearly 1800 such published studies mike_c Feb 2015 #51

I asked for a study, not a do-it-yourself kit. immoderate Feb 2015 #58

now you're just being obtuse, but here you go.... mike_c Feb 2015 #63

LOL! Talk about being obtuse. Which ONE of those says GMOs are safe? Pick the best example. immoderate Feb 2015 #66

dude, you just roll the goal posts all over the place, don't you.... mike_c Feb 2015 #68

So, you couldn't find a single study that fulfills my request? Goalpost condition: STABLE immoderate Feb 2015 #75

I provided you with full citations for nearly 1800 of them.... mike_c Feb 2015 #80

Yeah, but... Dr. Strange Feb 2015 #88

ding ding ding.... mike_c Feb 2015 #97

lol Veilex Feb 2015 #273

Facts? We don't need no damn facts! LTX Feb 2015 #83

That was pretty entertaining! ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #76

Creationists, science deniers, all of 'em show this kind of nonsense don't they? alp227 Feb 2015 #130

Fuck.. way to try and ruin a thread if there weren't enough bullshite in the OP to begin with. Cha Feb 2015 #100

+a million F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #101

you missed one Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #91

Besides this post being a little silly, to me it still misses my concern... Sancho Feb 2015 #144

Um....no. jeff47 Feb 2015 #174

Were the current super bugs known and taught in the 50's and 60's? Sancho Feb 2015 #185

They hadn't evolved yet. We always knew they would though. jeff47 Feb 2015 #187

You are simply wrong... Sancho Feb 2015 #188

You've apparently never actually been treated for a bacterial infection. jeff47 Feb 2015 #192

Look at post 190 for links on antibiotics... Sancho Feb 2015 #275

Again, IT WAS ANTICIPATED. jeff47 Feb 2015 #278

Then you simply refuse to see the obvious... Sancho Feb 2015 #279

BTW, I found this too...I guess the Surgeon General wasn't "we" either.... Sancho Feb 2015 #280

check out this post on DU and the link to an article on antibiotic resistance... Sancho Feb 2015 #190

You not understanding antibiotics and antibiotic resistance does not make for an informative post. jeff47 Feb 2015 #193

At this point I've provided you scholarly references and quotations refuting your position. Sancho Feb 2015 #281

Dayam! My mouse wheel fell off Telcontar Feb 2015 #151

+1,000,000 ... 000 HuckleB Feb 2015 #210

Can you point me to an independent, long-term study that demonstrates organic food is safe? jeff47 Feb 2015 #57

Yes, life is replete with hazards. immoderate Feb 2015 #60

We exist. Therefore, we fuck up the environment. jeff47 Feb 2015 #62

So we agree. immoderate Feb 2015 #64

No, you fear GMOs. I don't. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2015 #65

That too. immoderate Feb 2015 #67

GE is the most predictable and studied of all seed development technologies. HuckleB Feb 2015 #199

How would they know? The GMO producers license the seeds and control who can use them in research. pnwmom Feb 2015 #136

eNews Park Forest, Inc is not a reputable source. Veilex Feb 2015 #272

The science showing GMOs to be safe is incredibly vast and profound. HuckleB Feb 2015 #194

No. immoderate Feb 2015 #196

So, you're choosing to ignore that. HuckleB Feb 2015 #198

Ignore what? immoderate Feb 2015 #206

GMOs have led to decreased pesticide use and more food produced per acre. HuckleB Feb 2015 #207

Increased yields? Less pesticides? Where?? immoderate Feb 2015 #217

The meta-analysis was not limited in scope, nor short term. HuckleB Feb 2015 #218

The article itself admitted the limitations. immoderate Feb 2015 #220

Most cliches tend to be false, especially dramatic ones. HuckleB Feb 2015 #222

Sorry I'm not scientific enough for you. immoderate Feb 2015 #253

You don't seem to be able to discuss the matter in any way, shape, or form. HuckleB Feb 2015 #254

Well, I truly and honestly think the Europeans are OK with labeling. immoderate Feb 2015 #266

in other words, if anti-science propaganda wins the day, you're ok with that. HuckleB Feb 2015 #267

I don't see how labeling what we eat is "anti-science propaganda." immoderate Feb 2015 #274

Question about the people who made this graphic. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #4

Good questions.. apparently this is the guy who did the graphic Cha Feb 2015 #124

"GMO's are good because vaccines" is a faulty arguement. stone space Feb 2015 #5

When did I actually SAY "GMO's are good"? alp227 Feb 2015 #8

That's not the message of the OP. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #16

The "message" in the OP is a blatant fallacy. cheapdate Feb 2015 #55

The point is that the scientific consensus for GMOs and vaccines is the same. HuckleB Feb 2015 #209

The two things aren't remotely comparable. cheapdate Feb 2015 #276

+1. Amazing how some champions of "science" haven't mastered the basic logic it is founded on GreatGazoo Feb 2015 #31

Being able to drown your crops in roundup is as important as eradicating smallpox Chathamization Feb 2015 #95

Your response is evidence that the OP is correct. HuckleB Feb 2015 #212

NYT: "farmers sprayed so much Roundup that weeds quickly evolved to survive it" Chathamization Feb 2015 #214

Superweeds were worse before the advent of GMOs. HuckleB Feb 2015 #215

Dismissing a peer review article in Nature with a blog post? That's only pro-science on opposite day Chathamization Feb 2015 #261

Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #262

So you didn't bother even looking at your first link? And then you call someboday who did a "liar"? Chathamization Feb 2015 #264

In other words, you claimed to have posted something that you did not. HuckleB Feb 2015 #265

Dishonesty? Your first link is a blog post criticizing a peer reviewed article from Nature. When I Chathamization Feb 2015 #270

Nothing settles an issue more scientifically than a facebook meme whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #9

I think if people want to eat natural food, they can dissentient Feb 2015 #10

Because they demand legistlation that will increase the costs of GMO foods through labeling. dilby Feb 2015 #14

Well that's democracy. There are special interests for just about everything dissentient Feb 2015 #15

But you can certainly call them out and point out dilby Feb 2015 #17

But critics of GMO foods are the first to complain about lobbying Orrex Feb 2015 #18

That's completely different... Dr. Strange Feb 2015 #87

I don't want to eat them if possible upaloopa Feb 2015 #35

How about requiring companies who don't use GMO's to put a label on their food no GMO? dilby Feb 2015 #36

I do see "no GMO" labels that is a good idea upaloopa Feb 2015 #38

They will never replace regular plants. dilby Feb 2015 #50

Actually, given that the growth of population on a finite planet is unsustainable truebluegreen Feb 2015 #152

There is a distinct difference between meat and non-meat products. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #42

I don't want to eat GMO if I can help it. upaloopa Feb 2015 #45

Appeal to nature has never been a legitimate argument. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #49

That is a personal choice upaloopa Feb 2015 #59

No, it's not. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #81

I see you made your choice upaloopa Feb 2015 #110

You're also making an unfair comparison there metalbot Feb 2015 #147

I will say this, you don't have a clue upaloopa Feb 2015 #155

You are the one suggesting to compare a farmer's market tomato to a supermarket tomato metalbot Feb 2015 #160

No you don't get it. The produce in the grocery upaloopa Feb 2015 #162

I don't like plastic tomatoes either Go Vols Feb 2015 #170

I think some younger people will never upaloopa Feb 2015 #172

There are more great tasting fruits and veggies than ever. HuckleB Feb 2015 #225

Where can I get tomatoes that dont rot? Telcontar Feb 2015 #150

They rot but it takes a longer time than organic upaloopa Feb 2015 #154

Really? Why? HuckleB Feb 2015 #226

Because grocery produce has been engineered upaloopa Feb 2015 #228

Citations needed. HuckleB Feb 2015 #229

I don't play that game upaloopa Feb 2015 #231

I'm not playing games. HuckleB Feb 2015 #232

Sure you are upaloopa Feb 2015 #233

So you think this is a game? HuckleB Feb 2015 #235

Look I don't give a shit what you think ok? upaloopa Feb 2015 #244

Awesome. HuckleB Feb 2015 #246

You should be glad to have me to reinforce your narrow minded upaloopa Feb 2015 #249

Life would be so easy if I was actually narrow-minded. HuckleB Feb 2015 #251

Excuse me, but foods are already labeled. Updated regularly. immoderate Feb 2015 #39

apparently their label printer charges by the word GreatGazoo Feb 2015 #92

64 Other Countries manage the cost thing nationalize the fed Feb 2015 #153

Do you have an unbiased source to offer up for those claims? HuckleB Feb 2015 #227

Oh bother. hunter Feb 2015 #11

Anti-science is anti-science. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #12

Or anti-nuclear weapons. stone space Feb 2015 #20

You're not seriously comparing GMOs to nuclear weapons, are you? NuclearDem Feb 2015 #30

How do you know that? stone space Feb 2015 #175

It's completely rational to oppose the use of nuclear weapons. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #176

No one who has replied has addressed any of the claims in the meme Orrex Feb 2015 #13

I did. immoderate Feb 2015 #22

That's not a real study. nt alp227 Feb 2015 #24

And a Facebook photoshop-of-the-day is? Stop. closeupready Feb 2015 #47

The macro has facts. The phony ass "study" doesn't. nt alp227 Feb 2015 #48

You also asserted that GMOs are not tested, which is a false claim. Orrex Feb 2015 #25

I linked to a survey, and it was adddressed, but not refuted. immoderate Feb 2015 #32

Actually, you're still up Orrex Feb 2015 #40

And GMO apologists use the same tactics as climate deniers, tobacco lawyers, ... so? immoderate Feb 2015 #70

You're still up. Orrex Feb 2015 #73

The OP? Pure rhetoric. immoderate Feb 2015 #86

You're still up. Orrex Feb 2015 #89

that's a bogus, fake article in a bogus, fake journal.... mike_c Feb 2015 #43

Why bother when the foundation of the whole argument is made of sand? n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #138

That would be a good point, if it were true Orrex Feb 2015 #139

Well... HuckleB Feb 2015 #260

Most of the Anti-Vaxxers I know are also Anti-GMO dilby Feb 2015 #19

That's got to be the most ignorant statement of the week... MrMickeysMom Feb 2015 #127

Maybe i found the three for one deal. n/t dilby Feb 2015 #134

I am not convinced that genetically engineering crops for resisantce to organophosphate herbicides cheapdate Feb 2015 #28

Only In America! (eom) CanSocDem Feb 2015 #37

GMOs is much broader than glyphosate resistance. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2015 #69

I'm quite aware that genetic engineering has multiple uses and applications. cheapdate Feb 2015 #72

I think you make a point...but my issue with GMO's is the disclosure, not the science. Sancho Feb 2015 #33

From earlier in this thread: jeff47 Feb 2015 #71

Which is exactly why I made the analogy with tobacco... Sancho Feb 2015 #78

+1 nt F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #102

If that is your argument... HuckleB Feb 2015 #268

Why do you think only one type of seed development technology should be labeled? HuckleB Feb 2015 #208

With today's technology, just about everything should be trackable for any reason... Sancho Feb 2015 #256

Your responses on this thread have been all anti-GMO, so don't pretend otherwise. HuckleB Feb 2015 #257

That's not true. Sancho Feb 2015 #263

Even in this post, you say one thing, but you argue for another. HuckleB Feb 2015 #269

Maybe you don't understand... Sancho Feb 2015 #271

Oh gawd. This again. closeupready Feb 2015 #41

Thanks for making the OP's point. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #46

My choice to not eat GMO foods will not in anyway jeopardize the health of others around me LynneSin Feb 2015 #54

my county has outlawed cultivation of any GMO crops on private land.... mike_c Feb 2015 #85

It sucks what happened in your county but still doesn't justify why someone shouldn't vaccinate LynneSin Feb 2015 #94

it was only recently passed (in Nov).... mike_c Feb 2015 #96

I for one am glad they outlawed GMOs Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #98

This. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #103

I'd like see a list of those "hundreds of cases in the United States and Canada" Orrex Feb 2015 #112

Here's something to get you started Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #135

That document won't open for me. Can you summarize any of these hundreds of cases? Orrex Feb 2015 #140

Here is one of the important parts: Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #145

But are those cases of accidental cross-pollenation? Orrex Feb 2015 #146

Some are, some aren't Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #148

In fact, there is a way to tell. Orrex Feb 2015 #149

Creating laws based on fictions and pseudoscience is bad, pure and simple. HuckleB Feb 2015 #203

There are many ways to be harmful central scrutinizer Feb 2015 #61

I don't worry about GMO foods doing anything to me; hedgehog Feb 2015 #74

Percy Schmeiser purposefully infringed and Monsanto still did not "act as a bully...." mike_c Feb 2015 #84

Invalid conflation. Feh. djean111 Feb 2015 #77

Whole lot of GMO manure here. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #79

A Chuck Lasker graphic? He's the one who calls Hawaiian farmers, moms, doctors... countryjake Feb 2015 #82

Just call me a ******* eco terrorist! I'm on Kauai and we are doing our best to hold monsanto and Cha Feb 2015 #123

Ha! Me, too, Cha! countryjake Feb 2015 #179

Thank you for Waging the battle against the Toxic Conglomerate Roundup-Monsanto.. one and the Cha Feb 2015 #191

Shit! There is NO LAW AGAINST HYPOCRISCY HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #90

It's funny, really RobertEarl Feb 2015 #93

GMO foods are made from melted starfish. Orrex Feb 2015 #99

Eh? RobertEarl Feb 2015 #104

All the time? Not by a long shot. Orrex Feb 2015 #106

Yes, you do. RobertEarl Feb 2015 #113

I'm still not convinced that you really exist. Orrex Feb 2015 #114

You are in denial? RobertEarl Feb 2015 #115

I suspect that you're programmed to believe this. Orrex Feb 2015 #116

Please. Post the PMs RobertEarl Feb 2015 #117

Kooky Orrex Feb 2015 #118

Wow RobertEarl Feb 2015 #119

No one in the history of DU has claimed that radiation can't be harmful Orrex Feb 2015 #120

You call me pig-jeaded? Hahahaha RobertEarl Feb 2015 #121

As opposed to the true BS you post, I suppose Orrex Feb 2015 #125

You are wrong RobertEarl Feb 2015 #126

Kooky Orrex Feb 2015 #128

How old are you? RobertEarl Feb 2015 #129

Old enough to know kooky when I see it. Orrex Feb 2015 #131

Looking in the mirror are you? RobertEarl Feb 2015 #132

A kindergarten rejoinder, and you wonder how old I am? Orrex Feb 2015 #133

Thanks for the reminder that the OP left out a couple points FBaggins Feb 2015 #109

Wait till they hear we also have GMV's - Genetically Modified Viruses Lancero Feb 2015 #105

Superweeds eridani Feb 2015 #107

I am most decidedly Pro-Vaccine Dorian Gray Feb 2015 #108

Avoiding GMO's is at worst, simply benign, while the consequences of avoiding vaccinations... LanternWaste Feb 2015 #111

SO what countries have outlawed vaccinations? Yeah false equivalency sucks and people call you on it Rex Feb 2015 #122

That doesn't actually refute the OP... Orrex Feb 2015 #141

Cite them, which countries both outlaw vaccinations and GMO foods? Rex Feb 2015 #158

In other words, 150+ countries HAVEN'T banned GMO foods. Orrex Feb 2015 #159

There could be a lot of factors IMHO. Glassunion Feb 2015 #186

Anti-vaxx = anti-cigarettes. Anti-vaxxx = anti-nuclear power. Anti-vaxx = anti-pesticides. pnwmom Feb 2015 #137

"The comparison in the OP is nonsense" Orrex Feb 2015 #142

As I said, you could make the same correlations in many other areas, pnwmom Feb 2015 #156

No one has implied causation Orrex Feb 2015 #157

What is nonsense is to imply that just because the opponents of vaccines are unjustified, pnwmom Feb 2015 #161

You are refuting an argument that no one has put forth Orrex Feb 2015 #163

And those who promote GMO's use the same tactics -- for example, print ads -- pnwmom Feb 2015 #164

That's a different argument, and you are free to make it Orrex Feb 2015 #165

In an effort to support GMO's, you have been making what is called an "argument from fallacy." pnwmom Feb 2015 #167

That's a fair objection. Orrex Feb 2015 #168

I agree with everything you just said. pnwmom Feb 2015 #171

I love it... sendero Feb 2015 #143

How are they not analogous? HuckleB Feb 2015 #219

Bill Nye the Science guy on GMO's - for a valanced and sesible perspective: Douglas Carpenter Feb 2015 #166

There is nothing balanced or sensible about it. HuckleB Feb 2015 #195

I'm pro-vaccine / Anti-GMO food Glassunion Feb 2015 #169

Choosing to eat non-GMO foods as much as possible Blue_In_AK Feb 2015 #173

Since GMO foods are reducing pesticide use, land use, and dangerous herbicide use... HuckleB Feb 2015 #197

There is no scientific concensus on the safety of GMOs AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #177

Except for the nearly 1800 studies that say otherwise. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #180

Did you bother reading any of that nonsense? AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #181

I love it when people make the OP's point for them. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #182

How many of these have you read? AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #183

I've read enough of them on my own NuclearDem Feb 2015 #184

There is a definitive consensus. HuckleB Feb 2015 #200

I'm definitely pro-vaccine, and provisionally pro-GMO bhikkhu Feb 2015 #189

Why Vaccine and GMO Denial Should be Treated Equally HuckleB Feb 2015 #201

That's a fantastic article Orrex Feb 2015 #202

Bull Shit Bull Shit Bull Shit SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2015 #204

True enough. HuckleB Feb 2015 #243

Yes, you most certainly can! Most people have blind spots, but that doesn't mean that they should not call out tblue37 Feb 2015 #213

Faulty logic. Vaccines save lives. GMO---make Monsanto profits? McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #216

Is Monsanto the only GMO seed company? HuckleB Feb 2015 #224

All the giant Chemical Corps have taken over seed companies... countryjake Feb 2015 #230

That's the usual anti-GMO story. HuckleB Feb 2015 #234

Hey Huckle, know the most effective, science-proven, age-old method... countryjake Feb 2015 #247

So, you have no evidence and nothing to say. Got it. HuckleB Feb 2015 #248

Heh heh, you want pictures? countryjake Feb 2015 #252

Looks like you lost track of reality there. HuckleB Feb 2015 #255

The reality... countryjake Feb 2015 #258

Do you realize that superweeds have decreased since the advent of GMOs? HuckleB Feb 2015 #259

Whether or not they are, "Round-up ready" means that you eating Glysophate tainted food. Glysophate bobalew Feb 2015 #236

Citations needed to support your claims. HuckleB Feb 2015 #237

BTW, GMOs are reducing pesticide and land use. HuckleB Feb 2015 #238

Also, round up is much safer than older herbicides, among other benefits... HuckleB Feb 2015 #239

Vinegar, Salt, Glyphosate? Hmm. HuckleB Feb 2015 #241

And always double check those anti-GMO claims before you spread them. They're usually false. HuckleB Feb 2015 #242

Antivaccine versus anti-GMO: Different goals, same methods HuckleB Feb 2015 #250

Actually, you can. Scootaloo Feb 2015 #277