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In reply to the discussion: I never, ever thought I'd see the day [View all]world wide wally
(21,741 posts)36. The "real" Democratic Party became history when those evil genius Republicans changed our
language and "liberal" became the absolute foulest thing you could be called. From that point on, some dumb fuck campaign advisors have sold Dem politicians on running as "Republican Lites".
A backbone is a terrible thing to waste.
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WWI, WWII, Korea and Vietnam Wars were all declared under Democratic presidents :(
BP2
Mar 2015
#137
The Dulles brothers are singularly obnoxious, but one can also point a finger at
KingCharlemagne
Mar 2015
#345
Good post, thank you. The only thing we can hope for is that the US is going through a very
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#420
After Pearl Harbor, FDR didn't have a lot of choice in asking Congress for a declaration of war
dflprincess
Mar 2015
#322
Technical note: Eisenhower sent the first U.S. military advisors to Vietnam in the 50s, following
KingCharlemagne
Mar 2015
#343
Not to be unduly persnickety, but the very first U.S. death in Viet Nam came
KingCharlemagne
Mar 2015
#401
In '45, when he addressed the masses in Hanoi following the Viet Minh's
KingCharlemagne
Mar 2015
#435
Didn't you get the pragmatic message? We have to kiss 1% ass to get campaign funding.
L0oniX
Mar 2015
#332
"neo-liberal policies": Did I miss the invention of this phrase during my absence?
Buzz Clik
Mar 2015
#27
if that is your criticism, it would have been clearer to address it directly rather than question
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#150
What do you mean by 'separating themselves' it's a MAJORITY of DUers not a 'certain segment'
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#444
"until you have at least some vague idea of what it is that you're mocking."
Buzz Clik
Mar 2015
#131
Just use 'Third Way', it's more 'modern'. And if you need any information on who they are and
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#422
+100 these days, "progressive" = support for individual rights (gay/black/hispanic/women) and
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#74
There is no income inequality juggernaut. And few people at DU talk about class in the economic
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#406
But they -DO- support those issues... nonsupport is "limited" and ALWAYS pragmatic
HereSince1628
Mar 2015
#138
*which* people on the ground? *why* was the country falling apart? we certainly did a
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#86
Yes we had a hand in it but the locaks were rising up against their goverment.
hrmjustin
Mar 2015
#96
Which 'people on the ground'? The ones who have been terrorizing civilians now for several years?
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#139
Yes, who are they? How many civilians were killed by NATO bombs in Libya? Do you know?
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#159
I am asking YOU who the protesters were? You are supporting what happened in Libya, but don't
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#172
I'll do the crying then for the innocent who are being murdered and tortured. You don't have to.
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#178
Our Western opinions of African nations, yours or mine, do not matter to African nations. Which was
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#184
It's really none of our business. We have no rights in Africa, we are not in a position to 'allow
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#276
The Iraqi people will suffer from that horrible war and that is tragic but I am still voting for
hrmjustin
Mar 2015
#16
How do you know that already? You don't even know who else is going to be running?
cui bono
Mar 2015
#382
So you are saying that getting rid of Saddam was worth the betrayal of Americans
rhett o rick
Mar 2015
#73
"also probably brought on the death of the Great American Middle Class" = indeed
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#93
Manny I gave her a pass on her IWR vote. I have always liked her laugh. But that?
Autumn
Mar 2015
#13
I think it's up to the victims, those who survived, to forgive, not up to people
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#33
I am sorry for the death of your cousin. And even if everyone were to forgive those responsible for
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#85
Thats your opinion and it is principled but I think we do have standing to forgive.
hrmjustin
Mar 2015
#92
No. I was making a point to the poster who said only the victims of the war have standing to forgive
hrmjustin
Mar 2015
#292
Who are 'you people'. I want to know if I am one of them so I can correct that statement IF I am one
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#426
To further your "aside"... it actually says "would *be able to* totally obliterate them, not
cui bono
Mar 2015
#383
And if one didn't vote for Kerry then they SUPPORTED BUSH! No matter how one voted
think
Mar 2015
#12
And if one did vote for Kerry obviously they were hypocrites that supported the war.
think
Mar 2015
#29
lots of us were against Kerry before we were for him, before we were against him
HereSince1628
Mar 2015
#165
Is that your argument / rational for voting for HRC? We can do better than
rhett o rick
Mar 2015
#77
About any area is gray when one is openly dedicated to being amoral as SOP.
TheKentuckian
Mar 2015
#20
What emotion? You haven't seen my personal editorial, that was observation.
TheKentuckian
Mar 2015
#234
I see. So you have declared as FACT that Hillary is amoral and possesses a sick mentality.
Buzz Clik
Mar 2015
#235
LOL, so war is OK if she thinks it was justified at the time! LOL, classic! nt
Logical
Mar 2015
#240
We all knew it was lies while it was happening. And she had a lot more information than we did.
cui bono
Mar 2015
#384
that might apply if there were some significant good to point to. but what we get is
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#109
+10,000 Where's the positive movement to inspire people, especially young people, to change
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#104
Actually, I rather agree with that hidden post you're replying to...
TreasonousBastard
Mar 2015
#218
I agree; the ptb are forced to concede something to their serfs in times of crisis. crisis from
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#221
Between 100,000 and 500,000 casualties from the Iraq war they signed on to.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2015
#32
Exactly. Sacrificed for the political ambitions of those who want to "lead" the nation.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2015
#46
The "real" Democratic Party became history when those evil genius Republicans changed our
world wide wally
Mar 2015
#36
It just shows the "Win, win, always play to win" ethos of the careerist plutocrat
BubbaFett
Mar 2015
#70
They're ALL fucking multi-millionaires. They have no connection to regular people.
Atman
Mar 2015
#64
And a vote for Reagan was a vote for trickle-down economics and screwing AIDs victims.
Nye Bevan
Mar 2015
#71
Equating voting for a Republican president with voting to send America to war based on lies?
think
Mar 2015
#78
Pretending that being a full tilt Republican starting with Nixon and running past Bush 41 is 'voting
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#191
Has she? Reagan was a Supply Side monster, a racist who actively supported aparthied following
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#188
This is a most righteous jeremiad. I think you and I may have had our differences in the
KingCharlemagne
Mar 2015
#363
Then your judgement was better than that of those who did support it. Since there are no declared
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#149
And as always, those who voted for that war will not win. So if Dems want to win, they need to find
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#272
Thanks, and I would add Sherrod Brown and Bernie Sanders. Warren too if she wants to run.
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#351
No I didn't. I said he held Clinton to a different standard than he did three men
wyldwolf
Mar 2015
#239
since most who oppose hrc right now favor Warren, your misogyny claims fail the laugh
Doctor_J
Mar 2015
#253
your "point" is to taint all criticism of Hillary by calling all critics anti-woman. I pointed out
Doctor_J
Mar 2015
#256
errr, Manny has a link about three posts up from here, and one of your posts right in
Doctor_J
Mar 2015
#311
Ok I just read the whole thing, and it didn't strike me as a spirited defense.
Hissyspit
Mar 2015
#262
Sorry but that's all bunk. When they signed it, are they saying they trusted Bush not to go to war?
rhett o rick
Mar 2015
#309
wasn't that what Qadima figured in Lebanon? start a war so the warmongering Likud
MisterP
Mar 2015
#169
Is there is no gray area Manny. And no one who contributed to that massive war crime, whether out of
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#117
In 2008 a whole lot of progressves round here were singing praises for John Edwards
Tom Rinaldo
Mar 2015
#118
+1. I suspect a lot who are saying they were against it and "knew it was a lie," really didn't.
Hoyt
Mar 2015
#283
I saw that day, it was July 29th 2004 in Boston, when Democrats named Yes voters John Kerry
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#123
I did not say he was 'the sole co-sponsor' just that he was what he was, an origninal co-sponsor
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#160
No it does not. He was the very first Democrat to co-sponsor the Senate version, original co-sponsor
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#173
in his hypocrisy not much different from most politicians. just paid by a different faction.
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#175
And yet he was given a pass on the IWR vote twice, once as VP nom and second as candidate
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#182
I gave any Democrat who ran against Bush a pass at that time. I would have given the devil
Autumn
Mar 2015
#204
Well gee Manny, LBJ expanded a bloody war in Viet Nam, yet the social programs and civil rights act
still_one
Mar 2015
#133
Actually it would have been a third term technically Manny, and we will never know if he would or
still_one
Mar 2015
#168
i've read that lbj was actually trying to wind down the war & got rat-fucked, but i can't
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#176
That would be interesting. No evidence of that was mentioned in "The Fog Of War". Thanks
still_one
Mar 2015
#200
LBJ couldn't publicly blow the whistle on Nixon b/c, to do so, LBJ would have
KingCharlemagne
Mar 2015
#368
I have seldom seen an idividual get so thoroughly clowned in their own thread as in this one
Number23
Mar 2015
#274
But that of course does not apply to selfishly advocating horrible economic policies in a right wing
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#193
Gosh, you put quote marks around and attibute to me something I most certainly never said and
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#203
HELL of a point. And that goes for the OP as well as his (current) favorite politician
Number23
Mar 2015
#275
He's got too many 'personas' for anyone to actually know who his favorite politicians are.
emulatorloo
Mar 2015
#304
UGH!!!! again. CONTEXT matters as well. FUCKING IDIOT GEORGEE MADE THAT VOTE POLITICAL!
pansypoo53219
Mar 2015
#187
No but it's nevertheless true. Politicians vote the way their constituencies would
wyldwolf
Mar 2015
#273
Sacrificing thousands of Americans is a small price to pay to win an election.
neverforget
Mar 2015
#284
Because the war was not sanctioned by the UN, preemptive, and based on false claims?
think
Mar 2015
#202
So, they were suckered by Bush into voting for a war that killed hundreds of thousands?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2015
#225
You OP logic says anyone who excuses the IWR vote can't join the 'progressive' club
wyldwolf
Mar 2015
#260
Not shocking at all. Hell...I once quoted Caddyshack to Manny and got a hide.
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#446
I'm not going off topic for you. Is there a difference in the terms hide and lock?
Autumn
Mar 2015
#449
So you are upset I conflated the terms, "hide" and "lock?" On the lock, did a DUer privately
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#450
As to 3) the letters were posted by the locking host. I have no idea who told you I posted the alert
Autumn
Mar 2015
#456
Hosts do post DU mails involving alerts in the host thread, someone did tell you I posted the alert
Autumn
Mar 2015
#458
Oh--you posted the original alert, but you didn't post the PM sent from another source who did
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#460
Maybe people have realized that their vote for Kerry may have compromised their ideals.
Maedhros
Mar 2015
#436
Voting for military action against ISIS wouldn't be comparable to the AUMF in Iraq.
Marr
Mar 2015
#358
I suspect that Hillary herself regrets that vote whether she will actually say so
totodeinhere
Mar 2015
#346
"Because there's not a dime's worth of difference between Al Gore and George Bush"
greenman3610
Mar 2015
#399
I'm with you. I actually enjoy watching these types of threads because it shows how people always
Township75
Mar 2015
#419