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127. Of course not . Not everybody is aware of their existence.

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Reuters: Democratic support for Hillary drops 15 points since February [View all] MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 OP

the right wing and its enablers are starting to do their job dsc Mar 2015 #1

Oh come on. The primary hasn't started, she hasn't declared. morningfog Mar 2015 #3

This is exactly what happened to Gore dsc Mar 2015 #5

I think people are tiring of the Hatfield, McCoy, McCoy Hatfield Hatfield namastea42 Mar 2015 #9

what do you think the emails contained? KMOD Mar 2015 #15

It doesn't matter what was on them. morningfog Mar 2015 #19

namastea42 wonders about what is in them. KMOD Mar 2015 #25

But that's my point. The "wonder" is all that matters. morningfog Mar 2015 #29

I would like to hear what one wonders, KMOD Mar 2015 #31

I just wonder how a cabinet level official morningfog Mar 2015 #38

for your reading pleasure KMOD Mar 2015 #50

Nothing in that article explains her poor decision to co-mingle emails. morningfog Mar 2015 #64

lol, I knew you cherry pick that one statement. KMOD Mar 2015 #72

She turned over the emails 6 years after the beginning of the her term karynnj Mar 2015 #126

Communications she had for work, KMOD Mar 2015 #140

That works if and only if every work email CC'd someone on the .gov server karynnj Mar 2015 #158

My husband works in IT security. KMOD Mar 2015 #162

I'm not "going after her." morningfog Mar 2015 #218

You're on to something brush Mar 2015 #79

I was about to post something similar. The risk is way too high. namastea42 Mar 2015 #83

I asked you earlier, KMOD Mar 2015 #85

You asked me earlier? brush Mar 2015 #93

I was replying to namastea42 KMOD Mar 2015 #95

Sorry. nt brush Mar 2015 #99

or maybe, just maybe KMOD Mar 2015 #84

Still not a good idea brush Mar 2015 #98

President Clinton had the server. KMOD Mar 2015 #106

Actually, 2008 shows the danger in an unknown (not HRC, who hasover 3 decades in the public eye) karynnj Mar 2015 #147

Do you REALLY believe that ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #139

Nope. But that is enough to drive the narrative and frame the campaign. morningfog Mar 2015 #204

Drive a campaign based on something ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #224

Libya, we came, we saw, he died. Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #75

doubtful. KMOD Mar 2015 #76

That IS the problem, you are GUESSING Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #90

I am not guessing. KMOD Mar 2015 #102

LOL, are you trying to "punk" us Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #124

lol KMOD Mar 2015 #131

But there is NO PROOF Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #136

Because it's impossible to PROVE something does not exist. KMOD Mar 2015 #145

Exactly, it doesn't matter what was in them. A Simple Game Mar 2015 #151

I'm terrible on names, but fadedrose Mar 2015 #80

The dead broke comment was assinine. KMOD Mar 2015 #82

You do realize that ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #146

You're right fadedrose Mar 2015 #209

and again dsc Mar 2015 #28

I had and stlll have plenty of words for Bush(es) and none of them are kind. namastea42 Mar 2015 #33

it is about double standards dsc Mar 2015 #41

Democrats should not lower standards to match the Bushes. It's that simple. namastea42 Mar 2015 #56

Do not give the theft of the 2000 election that kind of cover. morningfog Mar 2015 #13

I just want a press that doesn't lie dsc Mar 2015 #26

Gore won. It was stolen. The blame for that morningfog Mar 2015 #34

that is exactly and precisely what not only Bush dsc Mar 2015 #40

Not quite the same. morningfog Mar 2015 #63

Some here are invested in any narrative BUT the factual one. Rex Mar 2015 #58

That's an interesting fantasy about how Bush won in 2000. Rex Mar 2015 #55

Had he won NH then Flordia wouldn't have mattered one bit dsc Mar 2015 #59

He won, why can you not say it? Rex Mar 2015 #61

+1 Enthusiast Mar 2015 #129

Note that the reaction in the poll is entirely in the primary question karynnj Mar 2015 #112

Gore WON the 2000 election. The SC stole it for Bush. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #196

The media were marching in lock step against President Gore from the get go. hedda_foil Mar 2015 #250

Not sure Hillary will declare, but if she does, she'll need to step up her game. Competition from Elizabeth would help. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #16

I don't think this is bad news. This may ensure more candidates participating namastea42 Mar 2015 #4

just what we heard about the stories about Gore dsc Mar 2015 #6

The Progressive Wing, or the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party, I think you mean. RiverLover Mar 2015 #14

The "vast right wing conspiracy"? earthside Mar 2015 #37

I have no idea if it is a conspiracy dsc Mar 2015 #45

I don't think this is the right wing and its enablers karynnj Mar 2015 #86

They hate women and the idea that one can be president is unacceptable to the Koch NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #104

Voting for someone just because the person is a woman is also unacceptable. L0oniX Mar 2015 #107

Repeat after me, both parties are the same...keep saying it until you believe it NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #110

Enjoy your Goldman oligarchy vote. L0oniX Mar 2015 #171

It's not the right wing ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #133

Today, it looks like we have a choice.... DonViejo Mar 2015 #134

Sweet! Polling A la Carte ;~) Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #142

I was interested in learning if Ipsos/Reuters was still conducting their polls on the internet... DonViejo Mar 2015 #155

Are you sitting down? MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #231

.... DonViejo Mar 2015 #235

So while Nate Silver said Internet Polls were the most accurate, MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #239

Self delete MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #237

I have a question. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #150

He was hoping for an extended primary dsc Mar 2015 #168

No, this was before Obama became the clear front runner. This was right from the start. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #188

that is baldly false dsc Mar 2015 #213

BTW here is a link proving you told a big fat untruth dsc Mar 2015 #236

Untruth as in lie? You are mistaken. I thought Limbaugh started with the vote for Hillary Enthusiast Mar 2015 #243

In post 188 dsc Mar 2015 #244

You have an unfair heart. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #245

BS - she brought it 840high Mar 2015 #228

She's only the powerhouse inevitable nominee...until she isn't. morningfog Mar 2015 #2

There's a reason so many are so vested in all-but declaring her the nominee now (nt) jeff47 Mar 2015 #161

Yes, they know Hillary can't withstand scrutiny on the issues & that her poll#s cant survive a rigorous campaign. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #252

Yet she is still outperforming every Republican in the clown car Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2015 #7

If Hillary loses, Democrats will not regain the Senate Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #8

We need a "Plan B"; just not sure Bernie is the answer. Maybe a "Plan E"? InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #20

The DNC has hollowed out the party Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #27

+1 for "Plan E" RiverLover Mar 2015 #30

What "E" are you thinking about? brooklynite Mar 2015 #44

Their infatuation with Elizabeth "New Money" Warren is amusing isn't it? Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #48

Not really amusing at all demwing Mar 2015 #68

I was inspired to support her campaign for the Senate...where she wants to stay brooklynite Mar 2015 #69

And many of us are inspired to encourage her to run for POTUS demwing Mar 2015 #78

Thanx demwing, well said. Oh and btw, Elizabeth WILL run, Hillary can "bank" on it. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #92

With no financial or political resources? brooklynite Mar 2015 #100

Agree with you 100%, which is what distinguishes Elizabeth and makes her, as the "reluctant candidate," all the more attractive. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #121

What is attractive about a failure? brooklynite Mar 2015 #149

U mite b rite, $ talks, unfortunately, but Elizabeth cud lead by example & swear off big $ donors & get major media buzz that way. It's possible. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #200

She didn't swear off big $ in her Senate race...why do it now? brooklynite Mar 2015 #210

Not sure. What do you see in Hillary? /nt demwing Mar 2015 #206

Pro choice, pro-gay rights, pro infrastructure, pro safety net, voted against Bush tax cuts... brooklynite Mar 2015 #212

Clearly she's a Democrat. So is Elizabeth Warren. demwing Mar 2015 #219

I reference failure only in the context of campaigning... brooklynite Mar 2015 #223

In the context of campaigning demwing Mar 2015 #230

Elizabeth Warren won the State of Massachusetts...and so did Hillary Clinton brooklynite Mar 2015 #234

Oh c'mon, it's fun in here! demwing Mar 2015 #238

Wouldn't that be wonderful if Warren runs? I sure hope that is in the cards and stars. namastea42 Mar 2015 #96

Seems like an ascertion with little presented behind it HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #54

Good points! I agree with your WI scenario Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #66

I don't really know that WI is an exception... HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #103

Voter turn out. Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #113

Yes thats obvious, but HRC as the only source of said coattails needs fleshing out. HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #125

Unless Hillary can pickup independent voters, not likely. Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #132

How is retaking the Senate in any way tied to Hillary? tkmorris Mar 2015 #73

Coattails, SCOTUS, effective governing Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #88

Gerrymandering does not apply to the senate. jeff47 Mar 2015 #165

This message was self-deleted by its author ieoeja Mar 2015 #214

Coat tails, maybe? libdem4life Mar 2015 #91

In the Primary? n/t ieoeja Mar 2015 #215

Yes. In the Primary. That's where the momentum is created, choices down ticket libdem4life Mar 2015 #254

Garbage rock Mar 2015 #10

Keep trying, Manny...nt SidDithers Mar 2015 #11

It'll drop even more after she announces. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #12

Hillary does seem to be her own worst enemy, when she starts campaigning & her poll numbers then eventually drop over time as her views become known. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #23

Exactly, this is a preview of the carnage to come Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #24

You're dead on about the Senate. Hillary is not goin to inspire Dems to come out n vote like a true progressive candidate would. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #135

Agreed. She is as motivational and inspiring as a flat Stanley. namastea42 Mar 2015 #205

Wow, it's that time already? FSogol Mar 2015 #17

Remember, Manny, after four hours call your doctor ... 11 Bravo Mar 2015 #18

The respondents to the poll are useful idiots Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #21

So what? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #46

There is no scandal Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #53

What I 'give credence to' or not doesn't matter diddly squat. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #62

Hillary will not ignore those voters Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #67

Then she's ignoring those voters. jeff47 Mar 2015 #170

There you go Erich, if Hillary loses, it's all your fault. /nt demwing Mar 2015 #71

"Republicans and their left wing ALLIES"? You gotta be fuckin' kiddin...talk about throwin people under the bus! Wow, nice! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #116

I guess we better embrace *cricket chirp* Badass Liberal Mar 2015 #22

It's a online poll!!! DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #32

And... Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #39

Online polls are not random samples and do not meet the standards DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #49

Hmm? Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #51

That everyone in the population that is measured has a theoretically equal chance of being polled DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #57

Hmm, again? Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #70

Random sample DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #74

How does a political polling group ensure this? Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #94

What kind of sample did the Reuters poll employ? It looks random? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #114

Isn't that random? Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #119

Of course not . Not everybody is aware of their existence. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #127

That's what actually makes it random. jeff47 Mar 2015 #175

What makes a poll random is that every type of person has an equal chance of having their views... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #183

And that's why this poll used a panel the pollster selected. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2015 #185

There is no systematic way to collect a traditional probability sample of the general population... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #189

And the same thing applies to your "gold standard" landline polls. jeff47 Mar 2015 #192

No poll is perfect but those that rely on them still do well in predicting the final results DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #197

What contradiction? jeff47 Mar 2015 #217

So now the timing of when I make my points is an issue DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #222

It is when you constantly change your argument and contradict yourself. jeff47 Mar 2015 #225

Please provide evidence that an online internet poll is a random sample as... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #240

Thank you. A set of ppl who have volunteered to be on a panel is NOT a random Nay Mar 2015 #211

I am nothing if not honest DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #216

It depends on how the panel is formed. jeff47 Mar 2015 #226

Online polls can be random samples. jeff47 Mar 2015 #174

"Which Pre-Election Poll was Most Accurate?" MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #117

... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #122

So, to be clear, we agree that Ipsos- Reuters online polling MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #130

Rasmussen was the most accurate pollster in 2008 according to... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #148

So your point is that *all* pollsters are bad, MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #182

I hope you aren't smoking when you are standing so close to a strawman. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #186

So what is your point in bringing up Rasmussen? MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #198

That one election cycle does not break or make a pollster... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #201

"It's a online poll!!!" MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #202

The poll has two flaws. It's an online poll and consequently it's a non-probability sample... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #203

This message was self-deleted by its author namastea42 Mar 2015 #143

Not using online/panel polling, Manny.....which Nate Silver notes here.... msanthrope Mar 2015 #166

And again... did you SERIOUSLY not read the article you link to? MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #199

Chart to chart, Manny....you claimed #1, but it's #6. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #221

Is unopened Cialis returnable? TheCowsCameHome Mar 2015 #35

...and Morning Joe had a "Monica Story"! Mike Nelson Mar 2015 #36

Isn't that reason enough not to nominate a LIGHTNING ROD Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #42

She will be attacked like no other, and so will any Democrat! Mike Nelson Mar 2015 #251

Exactly! That's why we can't afford "unforced errors" Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #253

I expect when she actually starts campaigning it will drop a little more. Autumn Mar 2015 #43

Be careful, you don't want to make any predictions. JoePhilly Mar 2015 #47

E-mail "scandal" is BS tracks29 Mar 2015 #52

Sure, all cabinet members conduct ALL offical state business on private servers RiverLover Mar 2015 #60

I get the sense that MSNBC hosts fadedrose Mar 2015 #65

Over and over again it is shown how strong she is currently set up to run. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #77

It's not only a online poll but it's a panel study... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #81

Thank you for the additional info. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #87

It's getting harder and harder to conduct "conventional" polls DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #89

I do agree about it getting harder and harder. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #97

I read that a live caller national telephone survey cost $20,000.00 DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #109

You can't live-call a cell phone unless they agree to be called. jeff47 Mar 2015 #176

Bias would only be introduced if you could demonstrate ... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #180

Same applies to the online panel you decry. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2015 #184

HA HA This gives them an incentive to make themselves look good. Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #108

That is always a problem in any longitudinal study. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #111

Every poll has bias Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #118

I don't defend political poling per se. I defend polling that strives to meet industry standards./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #154

panel studies are actually a pretty innovative and credible approach to polling. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #144

I hope King does another book fadedrose Mar 2015 #101

This message was self-deleted by its author Marr Mar 2015 #105

I wish there was a Decree for Democrats...stop apologizing...stop mea culpa-ing libdem4life Mar 2015 #115

IRL I do not know a single living breathing person anotojefiremnesuka Mar 2015 #120

I live in arguably the most liberal and diverse large city in the nation; Los Angeles DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #160

That is good for Hillary I guess anotojefiremnesuka Mar 2015 #163

She will be a great president for working people if her tenure is anything like her husband's DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #164

That is nice she still won't get my support anotojefiremnesuka Mar 2015 #167

It's a free country. You can do as you like./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #172

It's not so free if only two families rule it. namastea42 Mar 2015 #227

I am a Democrat who will support whomever my party nominates randr Mar 2015 #123

KICK KICK KICK marym625 Mar 2015 #128

huh. . . In February I wasn't sure. But now after all the email bullshit and the made up Benghazi B Calm Mar 2015 #137

I blame the vast right wing conspiracy libodem Mar 2015 #138

If we get a president Adolf Walker workinclasszero Mar 2015 #141

A candidate is not entitled to votes. jeff47 Mar 2015 #179

Clickbait. stonecutter357 Mar 2015 #152

Did you just cite an "online poll" as something authoritative? Like the time you cited msanthrope Mar 2015 #153

"Which Pre-Election Poll was Most Accurate?" MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #159

Not using Online polling Manny....Nate Silver demolished that.... msanthrope Mar 2015 #169

Did you seriously not read the article you linked to? MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #181

On the chart you posted, they were #1. But they were actually #6 on my msanthrope Mar 2015 #187

You. Are. Incredible. MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #190

You, Manny, posted a chart, claiming they were #1. I posted a chart showing that with msanthrope Mar 2015 #193

YOU BROUGHT THE ARTICLE UP MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #194

Chart to chart, Manny.....that what I compared. #6, not 1. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #220

Wow-- thanks for highlighting that. Marr Mar 2015 #191

Well, there are online polls and online polls... MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #195

Let's stipulate to move the argument forward that the poll is acceptable... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #207

What were the different questions asked MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #246

Can you please link me to the IPSOS REID polls so I can see the actual question and data? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #247

Wasn't your assertion addressed In post #148 DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #177

I'm Not So Sure This Is Only About The Email Situation... ChiciB1 Mar 2015 #156

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Mar 2015 #241

Hopefully people are waking up to the disaster she'd be as president LittleBlue Mar 2015 #157

Politics is a rough racket if you're carrying a lot of baggage on the campaign train. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #173

And it will continue to drop every time she gets in front of a microphone and cameras. Purveyor Mar 2015 #178

An online poll with a fixed sample is NOT accurate. Dawson Leery Mar 2015 #208

DU polling analysis: Like it? It's solid. Hate it? It's crap. AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #229

LOL. In the context of DU... cherokeeprogressive Mar 2015 #232

Quite a few no doubt. /nt AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #233

Peaked in 2011 and all downhill from there. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #249

it's all the fault of DU!!!!! Doctor_J Mar 2015 #242

same thing happened with Whitman--a lot of votes, but no CA Pub I know wanted her MisterP Mar 2015 #248