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Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
61. Let me say this loudly and clearly
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 12:25 AM
Apr 2015

Regardless of President Obama's accomplishments, the Trans-Pacific Partnership will destroy American democracy, and, as far as I am concerned, that means it will destroy America. It will destroy many of these same accomplishments that the writer of the piece justifiably lauds.

That is how easily one dares to say it. It isn't very hard for those us us who believe in telling the truth to the best of one's ability. By the way, I am a Democrat and not at all ashamed to say that I oppose this agreement because it will destroy America.

The verbiage that accompanies the OP was not written by sheshe2. She simply copied the page off The Obama Diary website. It's simply cheer leading and sophistry, which wouldn't bother me if it hadn't attacked those who oppose the TPP, including Senator Warren and shamed them opposing the President's proposal. The sophist says that the TPP will not destroy America, but doesn't tell his readers what it will do to help America or why those who say it will are wrong.

So let me at least say how it will destroy America. The TPP establishes an Investeor-State Dispute Settlement (ISDS) system that will be used by corporations concerned about costly regulations. A three member tribunal of corporate shysters will decide if the investors' case warrants sanctions against the state. The proceedings are secret, but the tribunal will have the authority to order the offending state to reimburse to corporation for unrealized profits due to the regulations passed by democratic governments. That can run into a pretty piece of change that the state's taxpayers will be providing.

If that hasn't sunk into you yet, let me summarize it this way: an unelected panel of corporate attorneys will meet in secret, hear evidence in secret and will be expected to give an unbiased (remember, when they're not on leave to do work on an ISDS tribunal, they're defending corporations in court) decision that could cost taxpayers billions. It is an end run around a democratically elected government.

All that stuff that the President has done that the sophist who wrote the the piece in The Obama Diary that finds it way to the OP claims is so great for the environment and his efforts to fight climate change is at risk under this arrangement. Likewise minimum wage increases. Likewise protections for labor unions. Likewise public health. Anything that any of out greedy, slimy corporations think costs them too much money can be challenged to the TPP's ISDS and stopped without any elected representative being able to do anything about it.

Trade Promotion Authority (TPA), also called Fast Track, will put an end to any discussion in Congress about the TPP. There will limited debate with members of the House and Senate unable to offer any amendment to the agreement. It all culminates in a straight up or down vote. Our founding fathers put more thought into writing the Constitution. If we're going to yield sovereign power to make our laws to an unelected tribunal of corporate shysters, then we should at least have good, hearty debate on the matter.

There is another troubling point about the TPP: the secrecy that shrouds the agreement. Our representatives in Congress are forbidden from discussing it in public. The secrecy is being directed at you and me, We, the People. This is wrong. The discussion that shouldn't be happening is discussion in Congress about scheduling a vote. There should be no vote at all on the TPP unless and until the agreement is made public. I can't imagine what is in a trade agreement that would require this level of secrecy. This, too, should ring the alarms.

It isn't our duty to support the President when he's pushing a bad, undemocratic trade deal whose provisions dismantle democracy and sell out our national sovereignty. We didn't support the last President when he prosecuted a ginned up war for oil and we're not going to support the TPP. Our duty is to oppose the trade agreement now, and to rip it to shreds with a campaign of mass civil disobedience if it passes.

Shame on anyone who says our duty to the leader and not to our nation.

Don't get mad at DU, it's a very niche group. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #1
Edited.... sheshe2 Apr 2015 #3
He will be remembered as a good President but not as a great one. yourout Apr 2015 #2
I disagree. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #4
What is ttp? craigmatic Apr 2015 #20
Fat fingered....fixed. yourout Apr 2015 #22
ok what's tpp? craigmatic Apr 2015 #45
The Trans-Pacific Partnership lovemydog Apr 2015 #66
The latest outrage du jour for DU's outrage addicts LordGlenconner Apr 2015 #113
Sorry but this one is personal.....I saw first hand the damage NAFTA, GAT, and... yourout Apr 2015 #140
Maybe by some, but by most, he'll be remembered as one of the best and most BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #26
Sadly, we do know why. BlueCaliDem. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #36
Two words: McCain/Palin..... underahedgerow Apr 2015 #96
A very good President, not a great one. Yorktown Apr 2015 #92
Greatness will be determined after he leaves office still_one Apr 2015 #133
You should be on Fox News Tommy2Tone Apr 2015 #130
No...not even close. yourout Apr 2015 #139
In time he will be seen as one of our greatest Presidents madokie Apr 2015 #5
madokie. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #7
The love goes both ways She madokie Apr 2015 #10
That's already happening now, madokie - despite the howling from the BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #34
mindless worship and adulation for the self-proclaimed "moderate republican"? he's got some msongs Apr 2015 #6
He never called himself that,but if a two-word sound-bite floats your boat, who am I to disabuse you Hekate Apr 2015 #9
Obama realizes he's basically a 1980's Republican; why don't you believe him? MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #90
Just like Al Gore is alleged to have claimed he "invented the Internet" out of context quotes... Hekate Apr 2015 #98
Feel free to provide more context. MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #100
Whatever for? You're an old poster of more than 31,000 posts, not a newbie needing info. Hekate Apr 2015 #106
Or, you're making things up. MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #109
Goad away. Bye for now. Hekate Apr 2015 #110
Well Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #99
No, it was our President who said that. MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #101
Out of context, of course Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #102
Help us out here... MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #104
Did you agree with Reagan? Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #107
One step at a time. You made an accusation, let's work that out. MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #108
I made an an observation Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #111
I posted the video, too. MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #114
What a load Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #115
I find it highly amusing that you make little vomit-glyphs for MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #117
Sure you do Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #118
Yep, to the minds of certain special folks here "I would be CONSIDERED a moderate Republican" Number23 Apr 2015 #124
Speaking of the easily foolable Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #129
Says "page can't be displayed" but it's probably the lappers of all things Kucinich, huh? Number23 Apr 2015 #131
Talk about a load. cui bono Apr 2015 #121
Oh yes he did. cui bono Apr 2015 #120
ROFLMAO. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #12
Do you know how and why he said that? lovemydog Apr 2015 #74
Why so level headed and frank? Sheepshank Apr 2015 #141
Oh fuck it is religion now. Wow. JanMichael Apr 2015 #8
Maybe you're taking the op a bit out of context? JaneyVee Apr 2015 #14
No. JanMichael Apr 2015 #17
Yeah. You actually are. eom BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #27
No I am not. eom. JanMichael Apr 2015 #29
Whatever helps you sleep at night, Jan. eom BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #31
Idols do not but life itself does. Get a grip. eom. JanMichael Apr 2015 #33
I'm not the one between you and I who is losing it here. BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #35
Ha. You are too cute. Concern is not "losing it". Toodleseom. JanMichael Apr 2015 #37
Question? sheshe2 Apr 2015 #49
Thanks for your 'concern'. lovemydog Apr 2015 #76
Well~ sheshe2 Apr 2015 #39
Yeah, you are. "religion"?! Good grief, the President has supporters on DU and get accused of Cha Apr 2015 #138
Religion!? sheshe2 Apr 2015 #25
I doubt you would. I cannot believe the LC lyrics didn't strike a nerve. JanMichael Apr 2015 #28
K~ sheshe2 Apr 2015 #40
You're supposed to stack up all of President Obama's accomplishments lovemydog Apr 2015 #77
Sheshe, I was hoping to be in before the onslaught. Only one piece of heartfelt advice, sistah.... Hekate Apr 2015 #11
Hey sweets. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #16
Fan clubs don't tend to last longer than 5 years after celebs working career is over n/t betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #13
Jimmy Carter rocks. Scurrilous Apr 2015 #15
KnR sheshe2 Apr 2015 #18
+1 Hekate Apr 2015 #19
Great response! greatauntoftriplets Apr 2015 #23
Jimmy Carter has supporters who believe in his ideas betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #24
Ya know~ sheshe2 Apr 2015 #47
Perfect mcar Apr 2015 #42
+100 MineralMan Apr 2015 #95
Sorry, your ignorance is showing when you get on here and insult Pres Obama and his supporters Cha Apr 2015 #44
Have I told you how much I love you, Cha. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #51
Always good to "hear", she, from such a Cha Apr 2015 #55
Cha... sheshe2 Apr 2015 #57
I know and I hate that this is happening.. There's a lot of Cha Apr 2015 #58
I think it's good that she is supporting the unions in her State. lovemydog Apr 2015 #78
Always like your "2 cents" lovemydog.. you're so diplomatic.. Cha Apr 2015 #82
Wasn't there someone else who attacked Obama with a similar "celebrity" meme? NYC Liberal Apr 2015 #112
Oh yeah, a RWing talking point.. Ooooops! Cha Apr 2015 #123
The Beatles are still popular with lots of younger people I've met. lovemydog Apr 2015 #79
You're probably right about "fan clubs". NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #86
I may not agree with everything he's done, but YES he sure has been a great president napkinz Apr 2015 #21
Yes! nt sheshe2 Apr 2015 #38
Thank you napkinz! Cha Apr 2015 #46
The question I'd like answered, sheshe, is...why the rage against TPP and not the TTIP? BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #30
Blue Cali... sheshe2 Apr 2015 #53
You're welcome, sheshe. BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #59
Very good point. treestar Apr 2015 #88
Hey, BlueCaliDem~ sheshe2 Apr 2015 #122
I just might do that, sheshe. :-) BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #142
Thanks for posting 4now Apr 2015 #32
Agree. lovemydog Apr 2015 #81
Yes, Obama is a "Phenomenal President"! Thank you Nerdy Wonka for writing your OP and Mahalo Cha Apr 2015 #41
Agreed. Nt stevenleser Apr 2015 #43
He doesn't have a single thing to prove, if he felt like he did not earn the NPP Rex Apr 2015 #48
Hey Rex~ sheshe2 Apr 2015 #56
"Ha, I post pics, cause I like pics. sometimes I do it to piss off the masses" cui bono Apr 2015 #119
+1 We must treat congressional elections lovemydog Apr 2015 #83
'But, but!' Obama is... *sputter, sputter*... Evil! Just like this one before... freshwest Apr 2015 #50
Thank you.... sheshe2 Apr 2015 #62
Perfect, fresh.. EarlG Got It. So did Putin.. Cha Apr 2015 #65
And that was ALL we got out of Libya and Syria. They wouldn't sign on, were either killing or were freshwest Apr 2015 #80
Yesiree Bob! libodem Apr 2015 #52
I think History will look back on Obama as more quietly transformative than he gets credit for, now. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #54
Shame. Bonobo Apr 2015 #60
Let me say this loudly and clearly Jack Rabbit Apr 2015 #61
" Our representatives in Congress are forbidden from discussing it in public"? ucrdem Apr 2015 #63
To tired to comment on then thread above yoursl sheshe2 Apr 2015 #67
It seems the President has a new plan to destroy America. ucrdem Apr 2015 #69
I do need to hit the pillow...... sheshe2 Apr 2015 #71
LOL ucrdem Apr 2015 #73
It is true Jack Rabbit Apr 2015 #68
I think ucrdem Apr 2015 #72
That's not an answer to the question Jack Rabbit Apr 2015 #75
I currently oppose it Jack Rabbit. lovemydog Apr 2015 #85
your first sentence is so over the top treestar Apr 2015 #87
Boom! sheshe2 Apr 2015 #125
You must be a Republican. MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #91
Here ya go Mr Manny~ sheshe2 Apr 2015 #94
I guess Hillary's not the only one kissing up to Warren MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #97
Yes he is. ucrdem Apr 2015 #64
Best progressive President in my lifetime. lovemydog Apr 2015 #70
Thank you lovingmydog. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #126
He won't be more widely appreciated until Jamaal510 Apr 2015 #84
I'm sure you're already on the NSA's Nice list, so maybe dial it back a little. Orsino Apr 2015 #89
I believe how he will go down in history..... NCTraveler Apr 2015 #93
K&R ismnotwasm Apr 2015 #103
Yep Faux pas Apr 2015 #105
Couldn't agree more, my dear she. It's just sad that we have to wait for that recognition. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2015 #116
And, the President is Fighting for the most Progressive Trade Deal in history.. I don't care what Cha Apr 2015 #127
Thank you so much for posting this! sheshe2 Apr 2015 #128
UR Welcome.. I should have posted the link.. "After All This Has He Earned Nothing" and more.. Cha Apr 2015 #134
When you posted this.... sheshe2 Apr 2015 #135
Oh good!.. and I am Cha Apr 2015 #137
Assuming this is not sarcasm, I agree with you. Does that me I agree with still_one Apr 2015 #132
Nothing like a little image polishing on a Friday night. NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #136
... napkinz Apr 2015 #143
He will be remembered as average at best LittleBlue Apr 2015 #144
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