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DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
47. +++ Fascism creeps in on little loafered Banker feet
Sun May 3, 2015, 07:53 PM
May 2015

We shy away from brash ideologically loaded terms like "fascism," because collectively we agree so seldom on when a political system has gone too far that we end up comparing everything to Nazis, and nothing really compares that well to the Nazis. They really went the extra mile in terms of horrifying the world. We may not see their specific brand of terribleness again.

But private money trying to undermine democracy? That's not any kind of special evil unicorn. That's common as dirt. It happens every day. We would be buried by private money tomorrow if we stopped pushing actively against it for a second. It's not unique. It's not even particularly evil, really, although its effects if unchecked certainly are. It's just a thing that money and power do to any kind of civilization.

Like Pinky and the Brain, the privately wealthy and privately powerful wake up every morning, drink some fine, strong Columbian coffee, and decide HOW TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD.

One thing we do have in common with Germans and Italians and everyone else who has seen their country go through horrifically destructive political paradigm shifts, is that we *assume things will never get that bad.*

We really do give ourselves the benefit of the doubt. We don't see jackboots in the street or hear bombs exploding above, and we assume things will remain within at least some modicum of sanity.

But that's not true at all. Radical things can happen in an instant, and THE MOST COMMON way is not through crazed painters shooting guns in beerhalls. It's with the stroke of a businessman's pen.


Of COURSE business interests want to force through a sweeping realignment of power, elevating "investors" to the level of nation states and erecting an extra-judicial system run by corporate lawyers to punish countries that interfere with "expected future profits."

It's what they've always wanted. And it's not like we don't see them trying to get there, every single day. It's what lobbyists are for, and lobbyists have all the business they can handle.

We need not to shy away from strong talk. We need to understand that secret international trade agreements are EXACTLY how things can go horribly wrong. Not a shot fired, not a jackboot in sight. But they can still take it all, and they will, and we need to call these massive power grabs out for what they are, and not be bored to sleep by the details, or cowed into not using harsh terminology.

“give them their way and they will take the course of every aristocracy of the past – power for themselves, enslavement for the public.”


FDR was no conspiracy theorist. He was reporting what he saw, and he'd report the same today if he was here to see this.

Great post.
I know what FDR called it - Fascism leveymg May 2015 #1
+1 to infinity n/t gelsdorf May 2015 #2
That term was certainly my candidate. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #18
That is exactly correct. eom JEB May 2015 #25
why is our response to fascism so muted? nashville_brook May 2015 #73
Because I live out in the country Jackpine Radical May 2015 #76
hee hee :) nashville_brook May 2015 #83
i hope more people are starting to understand what's really going on. nashville_brook May 2015 #44
Excellent OP. Thanks, esp. for including quotes and FDR who well knew the ruthlessness of appalachiablue May 2015 #78
I call it a corporate fascist coup. ananda May 2015 #3
you know winetourdriver May 2015 #7
know your BFEE volstork May 2015 #15
+1 calling Octafish! nashville_brook May 2015 #67
And centrists are helping them. cui bono May 2015 #4
yes they are. not all intentionally -- many are just ill-informed, or don't grasp the entirety of the problem. nashville_brook May 2015 #16
Yes, but the ones in power implementing moderate Republican policies know. cui bono May 2015 #22
Helping corporate fascism has become what "centrist" means. n/t DirkGently May 2015 #79
Good post. PatrickforO May 2015 #5
there's so much urgency in these messages. we have to wake up. nashville_brook May 2015 #13
So true about the short-term focus of modern capitalism. hifiguy May 2015 #24
Thanks! I did not know it was Lenin who said that about the rope. PatrickforO May 2015 #39
Fascism for a thousand, Alex! Octafish May 2015 #6
i think it's important, for myself, to cop to the fact that I actually "supported" globalism nashville_brook May 2015 #11
Globalism is only a means for the greedy assholes to take maximum advantage of us. Enthusiast May 2015 #57
you'd think the "black helicopter" people would be up in arms about this nashville_brook May 2015 #66
I guess their only source of information is Alex Jones. Enthusiast May 2015 #81
apparently! nashville_brook May 2015 #85
Vote for Bernie Sanders. I don't see any other way of fixing it. Autumn May 2015 #8
Voting for Bernie appears to be the only possible solution. Enthusiast May 2015 #59
this is why we've seen such an explosion of Bernie support here nashville_brook May 2015 #70
Interesting. kentuck May 2015 #9
Jefferson understood the problem, moondust May 2015 #10
indeed. i feel like Eisenhower gave the last great warning, when it was too late... nashville_brook May 2015 #12
Lately I've wondered moondust May 2015 #17
halliburton, brown bros, KBR...they all learned how profitable unending war can be nashville_brook May 2015 #74
One of my favorite Jefferson quotations! hifiguy May 2015 #23
I LIKE that. DirkGently May 2015 #49
+1! They just didn't have a name for it then. It existed nonetheless. Enthusiast May 2015 #58
Thank you.. good article mountain grammy May 2015 #14
it's scary what flies under the radar in state and local politics! nashville_brook May 2015 #65
corporate coup d'etat? heaven05 May 2015 #19
1963. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #26
Well if you had to put a date on it I would say 1963. zeemike May 2015 #34
i totally agree. there's been an accrual of power that's been exercised in shocking ways. nashville_brook May 2015 #42
To answer the question: it's called a plutocracy. Exilednight May 2015 #20
or kleptocracy. i try to avoid those words b/c as academic language they tend to hide nashville_brook May 2015 #28
Giovanni Gentile and Benito Mussolini called it fascism hifiguy May 2015 #21
you know what's funny about that Mussolini quote... nashville_brook May 2015 #30
It's attributed to Mussolini but it was actually written by Gentile hifiguy May 2015 #35
OH! in the manifesto! that makes total sense! nashville_brook May 2015 #37
Well that bears repeating a few million times. DirkGently May 2015 #52
fascism . orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #27
Finally After Many Decades, Since Bretton Woods in 1947... mckara May 2015 #29
The US of ADD. nashville_brook May 2015 #32
+1 mckara May 2015 #36
The Cost of Doing Business Demeter May 2015 #31
i HEAR ya! you know who put me on to this is Alan Grayson. nashville_brook May 2015 #33
That video is FANTASTIC. Simple, but true. DirkGently May 2015 #51
+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast May 2015 #60
It is kleptocracy. kairos12 May 2015 #38
Ooh! Ooh! I know this one! "Here." n/t Bossy Monkey May 2015 #40
Business as usual - TBF May 2015 #41
Evil is truly banal. it IS business as usual for many people...i bet most of which don't have a clue nashville_brook May 2015 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author TRoN33 May 2015 #45
Holy shit. "TPP gives corporate lawyers the ability to preempt “non-tariff barriers” to trade" GoneFishin May 2015 #46
and the weirdest thing is that Alan Grayson has been sounding this alarm since at least 2013 nashville_brook May 2015 #48
From your link : "Canada has ... been sued for ... taxing windfall profits by oil companies." GoneFishin May 2015 #54
that is the fear, at least -- and it seems to be the case. we need to see the whole document. nashville_brook May 2015 #71
+++ Fascism creeps in on little loafered Banker feet DirkGently May 2015 #47
here's a piece by Ezra Klein in VOX that I believe makes the case for getting real about fascism nashville_brook May 2015 #50
Call it the Robin Hood reversal sadoldgirl May 2015 #53
i believe that we already have that with private prisons nashville_brook May 2015 #68
That's another reason the right calls Obama a nazi and fascist. Because it is actually true that GoneFishin May 2015 #55
but, it's an argument we don't use... nashville_brook May 2015 #64
You are correct. There are many who call themselves Dems who are sympathetic to rightwing economic GoneFishin May 2015 #69
it's much more efficient to achieve their ends thru secret trade agreement nashville_brook May 2015 #72
Plutocracy would be the right term. bobjacksonk2832 May 2015 #56
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast May 2015 #61
"The 1920's and early 30's." FDR and Truman knew it. The ITO was to keep it from returning. pampango May 2015 #62
it's completely unsustainable, what we have now. nashville_brook May 2015 #75
What we do need is a trade agreement(s) or organization, like the ITO, that would be focused on pampango May 2015 #80
loves me some FDR NuttyFluffers May 2015 #63
Business as usual for most politicians. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #77
+1 nashville_brook May 2015 #82
Plutocracy. It is what those three asshole charlitans wanted in your picture and they got it. Rex May 2015 #84
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