Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
21. Let's stop pretending any of it is about "bad ones" and "good ones."
Sat May 16, 2015, 12:21 PM
May 2015

Problems like these are not a function of weeding out evil people from good people, or deciding whether it's fair to paint an enormous group with one brush.

Concluding that "most" of anybody is good or bad gets us nowhere. We can't get rid of "most cops."

But we can change the culture in which they work, and the incentives and ramifications for doing the job right vs. abusing it.

These issues are group power dynamics over a large scale. The same way people who work on Wall Street don't sit around cackling about screwing the middle class, but manage to do it anyway. Regulate them correctly, and suddenly you're in Canada, where bankers don't gamble taxpayer money and break the world.

Sure, individual proclivities matter, but WE ALL are doing something wrong with the way we conceptualize law and order. We wouldn't be seeing racist or corrupt policing everywhere if we didn't allow the systems that encourage those attitudes to stay in place.

- Independent review. Neither cops nor bankers are good at "policing themselves." Places with community review boards, or at the very least, outside agency review of complaints, typically do better.

- Less militarization. We need to stop sending cops tanks and APCs and fifteen different ways to hurt people that "probably" won't kill them. You prepare constantly for war; you're going to find a war.

- Transparency and accountability. Dash cams, body cams, and better review of all of those things. Policing is a public matter. It should be done where the public can see. The crooked get scared and the tempted think twice.

- Better training and culture within departments. LAPD was infamous for its racism and bunker mentality when Daryl Gates was in charge. It looks like NYPD, Baltimore, Mississippi, and many other departments have them same thing going on. Foot patrols and community policing get cops to see residents as neighbors and friends, instead of an enemy country.

There's no getting rid of the fact that people in power will misuse it if we don't actively prevent it. You take away incentives to do it, and develop better responses for when it happens. You put a better system in place, and suddenly you don't have those barrels full of rotten apples any more.

Don't forget the horror that is Chicago marym625 May 2015 #1
Nowhere is safe, not even San Francisco. My lawyer friend could tell you stories. randys1 May 2015 #2
Future generations must be taught differently and much better damnedifIknow May 2015 #15
K&R!!! n/t RKP5637 May 2015 #3
'Rare' and 'plentiful' are not opposites. randome May 2015 #4
You are so correct jehop61 May 2015 #10
Wrong. Cops are outliers and not like us at all Exultant Democracy May 2015 #24
I've heard in NJ JustAnotherGen May 2015 #34
Michael Moore did a story on this in the 90s Exultant Democracy May 2015 #38
Who is 'they'? Every one of the 30,000 police departments in the country? randome May 2015 #48
they continue to generalize don't they jehop61 May 2015 #51
What is rare is a good cop! randr May 2015 #5
That's what I thought as soon as I read the headline. kag May 2015 #9
My first drug dealer in highschool was a cop Exultant Democracy May 2015 #25
Heard that all my life Go Vols May 2015 #36
A lot of bad cops - not ALL fadedrose May 2015 #6
The Cato Institute provides daily updates! pocoloco May 2015 #7
Police Misconduct funded by Koch Foundation Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #12
You need look no further than White Supremacists 99th_Monkey May 2015 #14
Led by JBSociety, no doubt. Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #17
interesting site. Calista241 May 2015 #13
Libertarians don't like oppressive states. Comrade Grumpy May 2015 #23
IMO, there are two kinds of cops. Those who shoot to kill and those who watch and/or libdem4life May 2015 #8
true, every word heaven05 May 2015 #11
This article explains a lot, as to the source & origins of the bad cop epidemic 99th_Monkey May 2015 #16
There are also a lot of ex-military who patrolled the streets of Baghdad and Kabul. Fla Dem May 2015 #32
Yes, there are several underlying causations for Cops Murdering Black Males 99th_Monkey May 2015 #39
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast May 2015 #18
Any place I have worked has had between 10% and 20% of employees A Simple Game May 2015 #19
Just over half of the cops who protect us beat their wives Exultant Democracy May 2015 #29
I did think I was being conservative with the bad cops when I wrote my post. A Simple Game May 2015 #50
It's the 85-90% of bad cops hifiguy May 2015 #20
Give or take 10% your spot on Exultant Democracy May 2015 #31
Yeah. It's only 90% of cops Jackpine Radical May 2015 #33
Let's stop pretending any of it is about "bad ones" and "good ones." DirkGently May 2015 #21
Bravo! That's exactly it.... Moonwalk May 2015 #22
+ a brazillion! nt tblue37 May 2015 #27
Just over half of cops beat their wives, most are bad Exultant Democracy May 2015 #28
Fishy logic, I'd say. And part of the problem here. DirkGently May 2015 #43
Well you as much as concede the point Exultant Democracy May 2015 #44
Whoa. No. Even worse math there, and still the logic of bigotry. DirkGently May 2015 #45
Well the slight over 50% of women married to cops being beat Exultant Democracy May 2015 #46
Only if your unsupported number proves your illogical conclusion. DirkGently May 2015 #49
I agree FLPanhandle May 2015 #35
Make the offending LEO's pay the lion share of the settlements, bet this shit would stop overnight uponit7771 May 2015 #26
Even one is too many. Fearless May 2015 #30
I never say that. Iggo May 2015 #37
A lot of these guys were raised on the show "Cops"... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #40
And I think the National Rifle Asshats and our loose gun laws have a lot to do with this. Initech May 2015 #41
as far as i am concerned barbtries May 2015 #42
Bad professionals will be found anywhere we decide to starve a profession... Orsino May 2015 #47
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Let's stop saying bad pol...»Reply #21