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In reply to the discussion: Posted for educational purposes ... [View all]LWolf
(46,179 posts)5. I hope Bravenak will be back soon.
This was a good read, and food for thought.
Some of my initial thoughts and reactions:
The Pacific Northwest is so overwhelmingly white that some jokingly refer to it as the Great White North. In a region where white people are so overwhelmingly the majority, racism becomes all the more difficult for the white majority to see.
Yes. I love my state for many reasons. Its whiteness is not one of them. My state was, quite frankly, founded in racism, passing exclusion laws and including exclusion in the first constitution. With that history, it's not surprising that, 150 years later, it's still very white. I'm not in Washington, but it still applies.
We should be listening if we are concerned about the crisis of racism in America because acting on that concern must begin with consideration of our own racism. And isnt that the demand that angered folks the most?
THIS. I don't consider myself a racist. YET, I've spent an adult lifetime trying to be aware of my own biases in any area under discussion or action, and trying to make sure that I didn't allow those biases to blind me or limit me or dictate my reactions. I'm aware that I've got them, I know why, and I try to let that awareness regulate my thinking about things. So, while I don't consider myself to be a racist, I AM very aware of the racism that is so deeply embedded in the culture I was born into and raised up in, and I know that, consciously or subconsciously, I'm not pure. I'm willing to consider my own biases about race as well as anything else. Is that what the demand was? If so, wording it as "white supremacy" probably kicked that emotional response, always so ready to react before reason and logic, into gear. In reality, the world as we know it was built on a foundation of assumed white supremacy, whether we support that assumption or not.
People simply find it difficult to get past that immediate emotional response. Marketers know it, and build it in to their marketing strategies. Politicians know it, and build it into political speeches, ensuring that they never really have to get specific, and that people will be "inspired" by vague words with emotional triggers.
In this case, what WAS the goal of the two women? To get white liberals to stop, think, and listen? If so, then the method may not have been the most effective way to do so; triggering the limbic response instead of reason. It seems counter-intuitive to us, to think that the way to get us to stop, listen, and think, is to "shut us down." Yet, I can't deny that, while I thought I understood, BLM has been successful in getting me to examine those understandings and grow from there. Not the Seattle thing; I'd already started that process, and thought I was making progress. The NRN thing was successful in convincing me that I needed to do a better job of listening, and to see beyond what I thought I understood. Bravenak helped with that, too.
The trouble is, too many whites cant seem to see that white progressive politics is identity politics, which means it is rooted in the white experience, just as much as is Black movement politics, Asian movement politics
all politics. The personal really is political, not just for women and people of color, but for everyone. And white is an identity forged of fear of the other and entitlement to race privilege.
This is something I need to spend some time with. I'm not really a fearful person, and while I'm aware of white privilege, I don't think I've ever, at least consciously, thought that I was entitled to it.
If you agree, then consider this. Maybe when white progressives see a man like Bernie Sanders, a courageous leftist undertaking the bodacious act of running for president as a self-proclaimed socialist, they identify with him not just as a progressive, but as a white man as representative of them. Sanders, in this scenario, serves as a redeemer of white identity, lifting it above racist, reactionary, angry white conservatives who have so dominated our political culture.
By doing so, maybe Sanders is feeding not just a desire for vindication, but a sense of entitlement to recognition and respect that cant be separated from whiteness without some winnowing. Maybe.
By doing so, maybe Sanders is feeding not just a desire for vindication, but a sense of entitlement to recognition and respect that cant be separated from whiteness without some winnowing. Maybe.
I know that this is not true for me, personally. The author clearly states that he's referring to white progressives as an aggregate, not individuals, so I don't need to take this statement personally. My identity, which shapes my politics, is less about race and more about gender, class, and a couple of other classifications. I'm not used to thinking about myself in terms of race, which is part of the author's point.
For many white progressives, getting right with this reality will mean having to figure out how to address race and class at the same time. I know a lot of folk find that a rough road to walk, but it might help to consider this: race is a form of class.
I get this.
Those issues have been around for generations. Black leaders have been fighting to end racial profiling, harassment, violence, and mass incarceration for decades. In fact, these demands have been made in explicit, detailed terms again and again at every level of government for as long as there has been an NAACP, the Urban League, and numerous other Black-led national policy advocates, and hundreds of local Black-led organizations active at the city and state level. Specific proposals have been presented, specific demands put on the policy making table and presented to the general public, repeatedly, and largely to no avail.
That Black leaders have been willing to rise above the humiliation of being patronized and tokenized while their issues have been ignored that so many have stayed in the fight in the face of this is nothing short of amazing. It is a demonstration of political maturity and determination from which all of us can take a lesson.
That Black leaders have been willing to rise above the humiliation of being patronized and tokenized while their issues have been ignored that so many have stayed in the fight in the face of this is nothing short of amazing. It is a demonstration of political maturity and determination from which all of us can take a lesson.
This I know. I learned it young. I was 11 or 12 when my mother took me to hear Angela Davis speak on this topic, and I remember being shocked. It was my first introduction to something that wasn't spoken about, until then, in my world. And what has changed since then? Not much.
Yet, as a Party, Democrats have done next to nothing to earn those votes except make the Party out to be the lesser of two evils.
What this amounts to is exploiting Black oppression. Yes, I know its not the intention, but the road to rally disruptions is paved with good intentions.
What this amounts to is exploiting Black oppression. Yes, I know its not the intention, but the road to rally disruptions is paved with good intentions.
Interestingly, there are many, many white progressives who feel the same way: the party has not earned our votes except by being the lesser of two evils. And some of us think it's been oppressive to the left. So yes, I can really see this.
It's interesting that so many of us supporting Sanders are doing so for that very reason: we don't want a lesser evil.
I feel very strongly about this part:
We progressives may be growing as a portion of the electorate, but we are still underdogs in an uphill fight. We cant afford to alienate our natural allies, and, have no doubt, people of color whose interests have been forged in the fires of racial injustice are natural allies of the progressive cause. We understand justice and have less to lose and more to win by laying it all on the line for progressive change.
Moreover, the discussion following that incident feels like its turned into a referendum on a whole movement
I won't turn Seattle into a referendum on BLM. I would ask the same of BLM and supporters: Don't turn Seattle into a referendum on Sanders supporters.
I am still saying: let's be united, not divided. If I don't get it, tell me in a way I'll understand. I'm still listening.
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The DU computer program says No. She'll come back if she wants. She's doing great elsewhere. n/t
freshwest
Aug 2015
#4
So if i have a cause, i should not give a shit about the big picture and should.....
Logical
Aug 2015
#29
Hopefully this thread will be allowed to stay on topic -- racism and #BLM -- without other people
Number23
Aug 2015
#13
I agree with many things that the articles states, but the title, starting with a politician ...
slipslidingaway
Aug 2015
#21