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Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
97. TPP, ISDS & The End of Democracy
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 09:34 AM
Oct 2015


Link to an extensive comic that does an amazing job of explaining the pitfalls of the TPP: http://economixcomix.com/home/tpp/

It's done by the team behind Economix (author Michael Goodwin, illustrator Dan E. Burr).

Praise for Economix

“I just cannot stress enough how amazing this book is.”
–James Floyd Kelly, Wired.com

“It’s simply phenomenal.”
– David Bach, author of Debt Free for Life and The Automatic Millionaire

“Goodwin has done the seemingly impossible–he has made economics comprehensible and funny.”
– Joel Bakan, author of The Corporation: The Pathological Pursuit of Profit and Power

“An amazing lesson in true-world economics! Delightfully presented, powerful, insightful, and important information. What a fun way to fathom a deep and often dark subject”
– John Perkins, author of Hoodwinked and the New York Times bestseller Confessions of an Economic Hit Man

“Economix is a lively, cheerfully opinionated romp through the historical and intellectual foundations of our current economy and our current economic problems. Goodwin has a knack for distilling complex ideas and events in ways that invite the reader to follow the big picture without losing track of what actually happened. Any reader wondering how our economy got to where it is today will find this a refreshing overview.”
– Timothy W. Guinnane, Philip Golden Bartlett Professor of Economic History, Yale University


DU thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027248961
Obama sold us out. Hillary helped. [n/t] Maedhros Oct 2015 #1
Eeyup. nt hifiguy Oct 2015 #2
Correction... is helping. Fearless Oct 2015 #15
+1 MissDeeds Oct 2015 #38
Keep up with the news. Hillary opposed the TPP riversedge Oct 2015 #53
Two or three days ago she decided she opposed it "today" dflprincess Oct 2015 #55
Hillary had to respect Obama, she waited until it was finished: We only have one President at time! lewebley3 Oct 2015 #107
And if she's the nominee, she will need our votes dflprincess Oct 2015 #136
TPP enid602 Oct 2015 #153
She opposed it the minute she said she opposed it. That's all we can count on. cui bono Oct 2015 #57
Lol! So predictable. So dishonest. Katashi_itto Oct 2015 #66
Apparently, "the gold standard of trade agreements" Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #85
Bwahahahaha! Best joke I've heard this morning! Fearless Oct 2015 #67
She claimed she didn't like that it would costs us jobs! Hey... H-1B ALSO costs us jobs!!! cascadiance Oct 2015 #78
It's often expedient during a political campaign sulphurdunn Oct 2015 #98
...^ that 840high Oct 2015 #39
+1 davidpdx Oct 2015 #45
Same team. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #83
so disappointed in Krugman Doctor_J Oct 2015 #3
So if you are for or support the TPP you are no longer a liberal???? nt kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #6
well that's feasible of course Doctor_J Oct 2015 #10
Liberalism has only been a feel-good thing Puzzledtraveller Oct 2015 #42
I'll go with yes. Anyone who supports the TPP is not economically liberal Fearless Oct 2015 #16
Agree. ananda Oct 2015 #21
Do you always base your labels on things you haven't seen? Egnever Oct 2015 #22
Sorta like the PATRIOT act, huh? Scootaloo Oct 2015 #25
. Egnever Oct 2015 #71
Let's stop this charade, shall we? We know quite a bit about what's in it Jack Rabbit Oct 2015 #32
+1 daleanime Oct 2015 #47
What you said... Thespian2 Oct 2015 #50
well said. k and r bbgrunt Oct 2015 #59
So what? Egnever Oct 2015 #63
So far, all I've heard in support is spin from people with agendas Jack Rabbit Oct 2015 #76
+1 Scuba Oct 2015 #86
Bravo ctsnowman Oct 2015 #95
LOL Egnever Oct 2015 #132
Why thank you for that wonderful complement, Egnever Jack Rabbit Oct 2015 #137
Oh good lord Egnever Oct 2015 #140
Oh, great cosmic oneness Jack Rabbit Oct 2015 #143
Spot on response! n/t markpkessinger Oct 2015 #80
I'd go further than that. SusanaMontana41 Oct 2015 #84
+1000. GoneFishin Oct 2015 #88
Let me guess... n'th dimensional super crazy amazing chess and we wee pawns could never understand? Fearless Oct 2015 #36
Probably not Egnever Oct 2015 #62
The vast majority of this board was correct in their assessment is the ACA Fearless Oct 2015 #68
LOL Egnever Oct 2015 #72
You're joking?? Fearless Oct 2015 #73
The thing is we are not ignorant about the TPP. There are lots of clues to make us skeptical. rhett o rick Oct 2015 #112
Clue are spin sent to you by people trying to get clicks Egnever Oct 2015 #134
Why should I trust corporations building an agreement in secret. Not secret from corporations rhett o rick Oct 2015 #138
Who is asking you to trust anything? Egnever Oct 2015 #141
Do you have a link to where it says it will be published in a few weeks for all to see? rhett o rick Oct 2015 #150
November 7th. randome Oct 2015 #154
Thank you. nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #156
Okay we will use Hillary's words. "From what I know today" jwirr Oct 2015 #115
As Granny D said Jack Rabbit Oct 2015 #30
Of course. Being liberal means standing for certain things so when there is policy that crushes cui bono Oct 2015 #58
Any "liberal" with investments in Wall St. raouldukelives Oct 2015 #96
More than likely they were never a liberal. What one thing in the TPP will help the 99%. nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #111
People love Krugman when he supports their position. I think his latest opinion on TPP Hoyt Oct 2015 #14
Krugman is a Dem :therefore not Sanders supporter lewebley3 Oct 2015 #108
Wut? hifiguy Oct 2015 #119
so none of the millions of Sanders supporters are dems? Doctor_J Oct 2015 #124
Oh my neverforget Oct 2015 #142
Uh...he's described himself as a lukewarm opponent of the TPP jeff47 Oct 2015 #120
Indeed-- I never heard Krugman come out for the TPP and I read him religiously Fast Walker 52 Oct 2015 #155
When was he a liberal? truedelphi Oct 2015 #126
I've long suspected he was an establishment tool n/t whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #131
But But Our Worlds bestest President was gonna fix it all!! n2doc Oct 2015 #4
He's going to fix it all in his third term. Besides, the Republicans are making him do it. GoneFishin Oct 2015 #90
What is BELIEVED to be the final version. I'll read it first. nt kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #5
The crowning achievement of 35 years of reaganbushonomics. Done by Democrats, SAD! Dont call me Shirley Oct 2015 #7
No. They are not Democrats. pangaia Oct 2015 #11
Corporacrats. Dont call me Shirley Oct 2015 #13
There's a shock. nt TBF Oct 2015 #8
kick tk2kewl Oct 2015 #9
It is the leak of "what is believed to be the 'essentially final version'" of one chapter. pampango Oct 2015 #12
Just because we are told that Big Pharma and Big Tobacco are unhappy with the JDPriestly Oct 2015 #24
The same scheme was used to pass the Patriot Act. Rush it through before any discussion. GoneFishin Oct 2015 #91
"Let's see the final text. I bet it is far, far more generous to Big Pharma, Big Tobacco, Big every pampango Oct 2015 #100
What is so terrible about supporting intellectual property rights? pnwmom Oct 2015 #17
This extends that protection to their third-generation descendents. KamaAina Oct 2015 #18
Other forms of property, such as real estate and personal property, pnwmom Oct 2015 #19
"We stand on the shoulders of giants..." daleanime Oct 2015 #48
You can allude to the giants without plagiarizing them. pnwmom Oct 2015 #49
Under our current system..... daleanime Oct 2015 #56
No, and that is my point. I'm fine with the current system. I disagree with those pnwmom Oct 2015 #61
So are you saying that you support the TPP? If you do, please let us know why. nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #64
I don't know what's in the final TPP, do you? Wikileaks has supposedly pnwmom Oct 2015 #70
Those that have seen parts of it are in two camps. One camp says that there isn't rhett o rick Oct 2015 #110
Paul Krugman is now leaning toward favoring it, and he's on the side of the 99%. pnwmom Oct 2015 #118
Not too many that I know.... daleanime Oct 2015 #101
Post removed Post removed Oct 2018 #157
Yes. And Article I, section 8 of our Constitution authorizes OUR CONGRESS JDPriestly Oct 2015 #27
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^n/t truedelphi Oct 2015 #125
Copyrights are not the problem davidpdx Oct 2015 #44
The TPP is a corporate coup. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #20
This....Thanks for saying it so clearly!!! haikugal Oct 2015 #29
Bravo! hifiguy Oct 2015 #34
Yes...and hopefully all the work that's gone into defeating it will hold.. KoKo Oct 2015 #37
+1 Hissyspit Oct 2015 #41
+1 davidpdx Oct 2015 #43
Elizabeth Warren said it perfectly. Fuddnik Oct 2015 #79
+1 GoneFishin Oct 2015 #92
+1 daleanime Oct 2015 #102
Intellectual property... Historic NY Oct 2015 #23
Are you joking? No one should have copyrights on information or ideas that JDPriestly Oct 2015 #28
In all seriousness, the manipulation of copyright terms can be laid at the feet hifiguy Oct 2015 #35
If copyrights were eternal, Disney would have been violating some big ones when JDPriestly Oct 2015 #54
Purely accidental, I am sure. hifiguy Oct 2015 #74
In that vein... CanSocDem Oct 2015 #99
Did you write or create the manuscript in 1910? JDPriestly Oct 2015 #51
Thank you KamaAina for pulling the first loose thread. I think crowd sourcing the reading and GoneFishin Oct 2015 #26
I'm sure the corporate apologists will be here soon... blackspade Oct 2015 #31
They beat you to it. KamaAina Oct 2015 #46
Curses! blackspade Oct 2015 #75
Hey! That's been used before! KansDem Oct 2015 #93
Under the TTP your probably right! blackspade Oct 2015 #104
K & R historylovr Oct 2015 #33
I Think Cenk Uyger Of The Young Turks Was Right All Along... WillyT Oct 2015 #40
K & R AzDar Oct 2015 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Oct 2015 #60
US tech and Hollywood should be pleased. joshcryer Oct 2015 #65
Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #69
We need to "Trump call" our reps and tell them if they vote for TPP cascadiance Oct 2015 #77
It doesn't matter. RichVRichV Oct 2015 #122
New Leak of Final TPP Text Confirms Attack on Freedom of Expression, Public Health eridani Oct 2015 #81
And yet they won't explain what that 'grave threat to global freedom of expression' derives from. randome Oct 2015 #94
Trust Wikileaks YoungDemCA Oct 2015 #114
I don't think they have the energy to have an agenda. randome Oct 2015 #116
The only possible agenda I've ever seen from Wikileaks is ego. RichVRichV Oct 2015 #123
There was the 'Collateral Murder' video they doctored and tried to pass off. randome Oct 2015 #146
Based on other "trade" agreements, you should be afraid. eridani Oct 2015 #144
So if a court doesn't rule against a company 100% of the time, the TPP is bad? randome Oct 2015 #145
A goddam fucking UNELECTED corporate-appointed tribunal should not make these decisions eridani Oct 2015 #147
I'm 57 and I have NO retirement funds. randome Oct 2015 #148
Arbitration is loaded in favor of corporations eridani Oct 2015 #149
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #82
Obama's most recent betrayal. Scuba Oct 2015 #87
Big surprise there... Helen Borg Oct 2015 #89
TPP, ISDS & The End of Democracy Babel_17 Oct 2015 #97
Very good information. Thanks. nt 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #106
Exceptionally Brilliant. truedelphi Oct 2015 #128
Lol, wait, the guy in the video ... Babel_17 Oct 2015 #135
If Hillary or a republican is elected, this will be just the tip of the iceberg. Zorra Oct 2015 #103
If Hillary is elected: Happy Day will be here again! lewebley3 Oct 2015 #109
The Gold Standard of trade agreements!!!! Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #105
I fail to see the big fuss YoungDemCA Oct 2015 #113
So all those that said they could decide until they saw the completed document are going rhett o rick Oct 2015 #117
I'd like to think that we, as Democrats, also care about how the TPP will impact average people in stillwaiting Oct 2015 #121
With NAFTA the promise was that if we moved jobs to Mexico their standard rhett o rick Oct 2015 #139
Has the final text been published? Egnever Oct 2015 #133
The TPP has, to put it kindly Aerows Oct 2015 #127
Nah, the debate will not bring up The TPP- truedelphi Oct 2015 #129
I'm so fed up with the pandering to the TPP, sometimes I wonder Aerows Oct 2015 #130
Yep! Transparency at its finest. I'm so disappointed with the transparency charade. n/t RKP5637 Oct 2015 #151
The excuses Thomm Hartmann has been questioning Ilsa Oct 2015 #152
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