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DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
62. Trump continues to be an interesting double-edged proposition.
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 01:56 PM
Oct 2015

Along with my unusual disclaimer that we are unfortunately dumb enough as a country to elect this person, which is a thing we MUST NOT DO, look again at how Trump is using his position to blow holes in Republican dogma in ways no one has been able to.

This 9/11 fight is a perfect example. Republicans have been comfortable for years going on about how W. "kept us safe," when of course he did no such thing. Whether he was to blame for ignoring the Bin Laden memo or not,

1) the worst terrorist attack in American history certainly happened on his watch, and

2) Bush's response was to use 9/11 to gin up a disastrous war, the results of which we are still fighting today, and to begin a regime of intrusive government surveillance that is likewise still the source of huge problems.

And he managed to lose thousands of American lives, a trillion dollars, and the world's respect in the process.

And yet Republicans have for years carried on as though Bush was some kind of great savior of the nation -- one of them said the other day that no terrorist attacks happened during his Presidency -- in complete confidence they would never be contradicted.

The idea being, apparently, that 9/11 was so horrific, that "pulling together" includes pretending the President who happened to be in office somehow handled it well, which Bush absolutely, in no way at all, ever did.

Now they've gone several steps further, and launched an endless witch hunt over Benghazi, based on the logic that several Americans died in an attack -- a serious thing to be sure, but not anything we've ever recognized as a reason to blame Presidents or Secretaries of State.

This is a huge "Emperor has no clothes" area Republicans have cruised on for years, and now Jeb wants to keep it going, but DONALD TRUMP is stuffing it down his throat. Just like acknowledged Planned Parenthood isn't primary an abortion clinic, and that "free trade" isn't always a great idea.

Even the terrible things Trump says are not in keeping with the main Republican agenda. His ludicrous immigration comments are exactly what Republicans told themselves they had to get away from to stop alienating voters. But they can't really contradict him, because the conservative base they have created won't allow it.

Trump is the gift that keeps giving to Democrats, so long as -- and we really can't stress this enough -- he never makes it to the White House.


I have said in many posts the last three months, It's an All-Star wrestling Tag-in, and that's the orpupilofnature57 Oct 2015 #1
I think Jeb is reaching the point of desperation... kentuck Oct 2015 #2
Yes, and the person Jeb is losing his would-be voters to is TED CRUZ, Hortensis Oct 2015 #38
Nope. You almost got it right, but not quite... The_Commonist Oct 2015 #8
Trump's almost certainly a diagnosable narcissist, which in those severe Hortensis Oct 2015 #32
I've often suspected that... tex-wyo-dem Oct 2015 #49
third possibility I believe. He is smart enough to know he's got to Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2015 #12
Trump thinks in dollar terms... kentuck Oct 2015 #14
Think we agree, right. Yes, he knows Bush has the resources - but he Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2015 #27
Jeb's war chest is drying up fast... tex-wyo-dem Oct 2015 #51
It's because he's a megalomaniac, not a nice guy . orpupilofnature57 Oct 2015 #15
Agreed - but I do think there is some element mixed in - that he Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2015 #29
"down the memory hole Joe" was avoiding the obvious: "Bin Laden determined to strike in CTyankee Oct 2015 #3
But We have so much doubt about the 8/6/01 PDB Botany Oct 2015 #16
Yeah, heckuva job, Brownie... CTyankee Oct 2015 #20
I helped a neighbor whose son died of brain cancer thanx to the Iraq war Botany Oct 2015 #52
hey Joe ... napkinz Oct 2015 #24
GOT to tweet this !!!! Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2015 #30
@joeNBC...add @morningmika for good measure ! Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2015 #33
Bush and Cheney Purposefully Allowed 911 billhicks76 Oct 2015 #77
The sad but true part of your post - - Laf.La.Dem. Oct 2015 #4
Because... kentuck Oct 2015 #5
this ^^^^ uawchild Oct 2015 #13
The corporate media has already destroyed them CrispyQ Oct 2015 #55
LOL that cartoon Skittles Oct 2015 #78
Sadly this is why people like Trump - TBF Oct 2015 #40
And they extended that cowardice to vote for his Iraq invasion. Careers mean more than lives n/t arcane1 Oct 2015 #50
the people who voted for IWR have BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS Skittles Oct 2015 #79
I'm hoping it opens up more discussion. Discussions about this... tecelote Oct 2015 #6
It's glorious. Jester Messiah Oct 2015 #7
Me 2. BUT..if the media doesn't stop and say, "Hey, he is right.." Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2015 #11
Then our task is to do it ye olde fashioned way. ChairmanAgnostic Oct 2015 #34
You spoke what's in my heart Mira Oct 2015 #18
When Trump and Hilliary meet in the General, he will use her AUMF Vote bahrbearian Oct 2015 #9
Yep. Trump will trounce Hillary, I'm sorry to say. Marr Oct 2015 #10
True.... daleanime Oct 2015 #17
I can see him in the debate's with Hilliary now, bahrbearian Oct 2015 #21
when Sanders meets Trump in the GE, Sanders will KingCharlemagne Oct 2015 #37
Yup. As I said in another post - TBF Oct 2015 #42
The Omen and a nightmare on Elm street Ichingcarpenter Oct 2015 #19
Ha malaise Oct 2015 #35
Completely different numbers that have nothing to do with each other Reter Oct 2015 #22
Probably true... kentuck Oct 2015 #25
Tell the truth ONE TIME and it comes back to bite you in the ass. sofa king Oct 2015 #23
I don't know....the "low energy" meme worked to cripple Jeb ! Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2015 #36
You're right about the "low energy" smear. sofa king Oct 2015 #86
Luckily...money can not buy charisma. Personally, I wish he would be indicted for Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2015 #87
re: "45% is better than 6%, which is where Dubya and Jeb sit in the polls" thesquanderer Oct 2015 #26
Someone has to remind these dumbass Republicans that mountain grammy Oct 2015 #28
The Republican establishment is mad at Trump because he's bursting their delusional bubble bulloney Oct 2015 #45
But how many of those same people think Iraq was to blame for the bombings? nt/ hibbing Oct 2015 #67
Trump is 100% correct. George Bush did not keep America safe. UCmeNdc Oct 2015 #31
Trumped winetourdriver Oct 2015 #39
I would not be surprised. kentuck Oct 2015 #41
Perfect time for Trump to bring up the election and Florida 2000 J_J_ Oct 2015 #58
Ha! SammyWinstonJack Oct 2015 #70
the truth is that George W Bush did allow 911 to happen on his watch patsimp Oct 2015 #43
I'm loving it! Catherine Vincent Oct 2015 #44
Plus, GWB and Wolfowitz are his two top foreign policy advisors. Let's drill down on that wiggs Oct 2015 #46
19 of 21 advisors are from GWB administration, including John Negroponte. nt wiggs Oct 2015 #47
What Unfresh Hell is this? Arugula Latte Oct 2015 #60
Trump smells blood in the water tularetom Oct 2015 #48
Excellent Summary tularetom Yallow Oct 2015 #54
I think it quite possible that tRUMP could trounce HRH hifiguy Oct 2015 #71
Well put davidpdx Oct 2015 #83
I am very happy someone finally spoke the truth. Tipperary Oct 2015 #53
Sad it had to be Trump? Why not Trump? Everyone else has a carreer and bonniebgood Oct 2015 #56
I don't mind that it was Trump. 840high Oct 2015 #76
I still think Trump is doing the GOP a HYUUUGE favor Bucky Oct 2015 #57
Yep, all these years later and the M$M still works hard to cover up , deny and delay anything Rex Oct 2015 #59
they had help from SPINELESS DEMOCRATS Skittles Oct 2015 #80
Jeb shockey80 Oct 2015 #61
If he had a brain he would have known this davidpdx Oct 2015 #84
Trump continues to be an interesting double-edged proposition. DirkGently Oct 2015 #62
EXCELLENT ASSESSMENT Skittles Oct 2015 #81
This is what makes me believe Trump takes the Rethug Nomination: Utopian Leftist Oct 2015 #63
Yep...k and r. no text. Stuart G Oct 2015 #64
I heard some r/w talking head on the radio this morning arikara Oct 2015 #65
Made me giddy to watch Jebby try to defend his bro' .... Myrina Oct 2015 #66
I agree, dpatbrown Oct 2015 #68
In GOP circles, it is controversial to admit W was President 9/11/2001 ThoughtCriminal Oct 2015 #69
The Main Obstacle... WiffenPoof Oct 2015 #72
Good clickbait title Kentuck flamingdem Oct 2015 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Oct 2015 #74
Oh I hope their party falls apart IronLionZion Oct 2015 #75
K & R !!! - But... Can We Not Talk About Republican Bowels ??? WillyT Oct 2015 #82
Ha! WillyT, you thing! nt morningglory Oct 2015 #85
a dumpster fire restorefreedom Oct 2015 #88
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