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GoneFishin

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34. My opinion was always that rejecting Keystone XL was just play acting because a complaint would

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 09:48 PM

Jan 2016

be filed under TPP and it would be rammed through anyway. And given that the people at the TPP negotiating table are some of the same people filing the complaint over Keystone XL, I am sure that TPP contains strong provisions favoring Keystone XL.

Sure, it won't specifically mention Keystone XL. But it will be like one of those tax loopholes that is worded to appear broad and general, but upon close examination it only applies to one company, which also happens to be a big donor to the politician who inserted the provision.

I called this one a long time ago.

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Trans Canada to file $15 Billion NAFTA claim against US for Keystone XL rejection. [View all] pa28 Jan 2016 OP

A perfect example. (nt) enough Jan 2016 #1

And they'll be laughed out of court. floriduck Jan 2016 #3

That is why they have Investor Dispute Resolution pannels. Judged by Corporate lawyers Vincardog Jan 2016 #8

What a delightful notion. (nt) enough Jan 2016 #41

Even if this fails, these cases end up inhibiting the government from cali Jan 2016 #2

Thanks Bill! fleur-de-lisa Jan 2016 #4

Given the State Departments report SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #5

Looks that way. Or at least enough to force a settlement. pa28 Jan 2016 #12

Thank HRC's staff for that -- they put out the study with the guideline that the actual carbon of karynnj Jan 2016 #13

I could be wrong SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #15

True -- however, if you considered that MORE of the tar sands oil would be extracted karynnj Jan 2016 #16

But the report that he said he would rely on SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #17

Because the report was rigged from the beginning by that assumption that no one who ever karynnj Jan 2016 #22

In other words SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #23

I assume that Obama might have approved it had the Secretary of Stare recommended karynnj Jan 2016 #24

Another example of the "pretend Culture" in the Conservative reality. glinda Jan 2016 #6

I had high hopes for Justin Trudeau DonCoquixote Jan 2016 #7

Harper was threatening this particular result if Keystone was rejected. pa28 Jan 2016 #10

and if he does remain silent DonCoquixote Jan 2016 #11

Trudeau was/is for the pipeline. Joe Shlabotnik Jan 2016 #20

Trudeau wants the pipeline Recursion Jan 2016 #38

Good luck with that TransCanada. Unless the US treated you differently because of your nationality pampango Jan 2016 #9

1) This is happening with or without the TPP passing; 2) "arbitrary and unjustified" geek tragedy Jan 2016 #14

That case is from a UN body not the NAFTA treaty former9thward Jan 2016 #18

Your first point is true, however the idea behind my OP was TPP will open the door wider. pa28 Jan 2016 #19

That isn't enough for them to prevail. Not nearly enough. geek tragedy Jan 2016 #27

worth a shot i guess, for 2.9 billion! Takket Jan 2016 #21

They'll win and shove the keystone pipeline right up our asses. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #29

Exactly. They ram TPP and NAFTA through, and thereafter pretend they are victims of it. It's all GoneFishin Jan 2016 #37

ISDS can't force policy changes, just fines (nt) Recursion Jan 2016 #39

They're seeking $15 billion, not $2.9 billion n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #30

HUGE K & R !!! - More On NAFTA's Chapter 11 From Bill Moyers: WillyT Jan 2016 #25

Thank you very much for the Moyers link. pa28 Jan 2016 #33

You Are Quite Welcome !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #35

So this was their play. blackspade Jan 2016 #26

Yes they did, so you would think so... Luciferous Jan 2016 #36

NAFTA, GATT, WIPO, WTO, TPP. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #28

They wouldn't even build this pipeline at today's oil prices anyway. Cassiopeia Jan 2016 #31

You've gotten to the real truth of the matter there. pa28 Jan 2016 #32

My opinion was always that rejecting Keystone XL was just play acting because a complaint would GoneFishin Jan 2016 #34

The TPP included tax legislation now? Recursion Jan 2016 #40

Yeah. Funny. GoneFishin Jan 2016 #42