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senz

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77. America's founders set up a democratic form of government.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 01:11 AM
Jan 2016

Democracy is government of, by, and for the people. The very concept of voting, of electing representatives to govern the country, of "one man one vote," meant that citizenship and voting were not dependent on circumstances such as personal wealth, and the American government was intended to serve everyone, regardless of material wealth. (Yes, our nation's founders were limited to their 18th century worldview and didn't realize that women and AAs should be full voting citizens within the new democracy, but the Constitution they created was flexible enough to eventually expand democratic governance to include nonwhites and females.) America was created as a democratic government. That is fundamental.

Oligarchy is not democracy. Oligarchy is government or, by, and for the few. Changes in our government put in place by the Reagan administration have altered the conduct, purpose, and outcome of the government. It no longer serves the people -- the many -- as our founders intended. This has been a coup, a relatively slow, quiet, bloodless coup. Power has been transferred from the many to the few. This is an immense transformation of our country. And yet the Constitution itself has not changed – although, over time, the Supreme Court altered the meanings of some of some of the words in the Constitution. Words like "person," and "speech." So now corporations are persons and money is speech. Little changes like this have had huge effects, as power that was intended to be shared relatively equally by all has gradually flowed away from the common person and toward the wealthy few, from democracy to oligarchy. (In fact, it is a specific kind of oligarchy: plutocracy, "government by the wealthy.&quot

This is a big deal. It matters. We need to put it out in the open, talk about it, and deal with it. There are "Democrats" on this website who either refuse to see this truth or refuse to admit it. There may even be some who are unable to grasp it. But what has happened and is happening with this gradual transfer of power amounts to a slowly building oppression of "the many." Most people know something is wrong, but they don't know what or why, so they seek scapegoats in other people (races, religions, etc.) and/or in government itself. They can't see who it is that has taken the reins of our government away from them. They don't know what happened to make everyday living turn so harsh, uncomfortable, and vaguely frightening, as it is for so many today.

That's the conversation Senator Sanders is trying to start with the country.

The Oligarchy [View all] Scuba Jan 2016 OP
No such thing. eom MohRokTah Jan 2016 #1
You keep saying that despite the evidence, of which you provide none. Scuba Jan 2016 #2
You have provided precisely zero evidence there is an oligarchy in control of the US. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #3
Did you miss this? Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #7
That has nothing to do with demonstrating an oligarchy controls the US. eom MohRokTah Jan 2016 #8
. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #10
Not proof at all MohRokTah Jan 2016 #11
You're unconvincable. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #13
Wow, I've earned a new respect for MohRokTah retrowire Jan 2016 #16
Ostriches... Docreed2003 Jan 2016 #27
And pointless. Proserpina Jan 2016 #28
world class skill SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #31
When private citizens can outspend political parties... tecelote Jan 2016 #25
One name. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #29
Lost me. tecelote Jan 2016 #32
Cantor outspent his primary opponent more than 10 to 1 MohRokTah Jan 2016 #37
Are you trying to show me how bad Cantor campaigned? So bad that he couldn't get elected? tecelote Jan 2016 #43
Hey Mr. Moh !! Oligarchy lert !! FairWinds Jan 2016 #59
Maybe this might help. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #9
No hard evidence, just supposition. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #12
That's a mindblowingly simplistic take. This is even less satisfying than I could have imagined. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #14
Jimmy Carter disagrees with you. Chef Eric Jan 2016 #34
Carter is engaging in hyperbolic rhetoric MohRokTah Jan 2016 #38
By definition, Jimmy Carter is not a politician. Chef Eric Jan 2016 #42
President Carter is not currently a politician. lovemydog Jan 2016 #62
Incorrect BlindTiresias Jan 2016 #47
Ever hear of Gerrymandering? sonofspy777 Jan 2016 #57
I guess you missed the Princeton study davekriss Jan 2016 #19
So long as we can eject all 435 members of the House every two years,... MohRokTah Jan 2016 #20
Seems to me you've been given plenty of evidence davekriss Jan 2016 #40
Actually, not a shred of evidence has been given. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #41
How can you breathe so deep in d'Nile LiberalLovinLug Jan 2016 #50
Well... BlindTiresias Jan 2016 #48
I love seeing 435 fresh faces every two years. rug Jan 2016 #55
Meet the new boss. lovemydog Jan 2016 #72
So does Goldman-Sachs. Representative are cheaper when they're newbies. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #74
You think there is no such thing as an oligarchy? lovemydog Jan 2016 #61
By definition, this nation is not run by an oligarchy. eom MohRokTah Jan 2016 #66
I beg to differ because even in our founding documents, lovemydog Jan 2016 #69
LOL. nt laundry_queen Jan 2016 #81
Shut them all down PowerToThePeople Jan 2016 #4
Darn that pesky Fifth Amendment. Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #17
The takings clause is normally used for real property -- senz Jan 2016 #51
From my post yesterday --- some things never change. tabasco Jan 2016 #5
... AzDar Jan 2016 #22
+1. Excellent...thanks for sharing this! Docreed2003 Jan 2016 #30
She was reincarnated as Elizabeth Warren. senz Jan 2016 #52
10++ 840high Jan 2016 #79
Only someone as math impaired as Wall Street couldn't see that the public Baitball Blogger Jan 2016 #6
Kickin' Faux pas Jan 2016 #15
Whatever You Want To Call It colsohlibgal Jan 2016 #18
Agree in part lovemydog Jan 2016 #64
Has Hillary even uttered the word oligarchy yet? jalan48 Jan 2016 #21
Are you kidding me? SmittynMo Jan 2016 #23
Exactly-how about the question of income inequality? jalan48 Jan 2016 #24
Wat? And bite the hand that feeds 'er? senz Jan 2016 #53
Oli-wat? ozone_man Jan 2016 #73
Clintons’ Income May Reach Top 1% of the 1% - thanks to Goldman, JPMorgan and Citigroup whereisjustice Jan 2016 #26
UBS Wealth Management Octafish Jan 2016 #85
And the banks are only the cover. Behind are other corporations jwirr Jan 2016 #33
K&R for as much visibility as possible. nt tblue37 Jan 2016 #35
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #36
The Treasury is their piggy bank. nt valerief Jan 2016 #39
Organized thievery randr Jan 2016 #44
Oh, that's where the recovery went. Glad they were able to help those folks out. jtuck004 Jan 2016 #45
This. PowerToThePeople Jan 2016 #54
Hey Mr. Moh . . FairWinds Jan 2016 #46
Oh, for Pete's Rebkeh Jan 2016 #49
Good info! kentuck Jan 2016 #56
K&R azmom Jan 2016 #58
Did the government make the money back? lovemydog Jan 2016 #60
Definition of oligarchy: lovemydog Jan 2016 #63
I can only think of two reasons to deny we're an oligarchy .... Scuba Jan 2016 #65
Know Thyself. So few truly do. nt raouldukelives Jan 2016 #67
Boom. Walk off, Scuba. hifiguy Jan 2016 #86
Right! H2O Man Jan 2016 #68
Revisiting it again today, lovemydog Jan 2016 #70
And that, it is. H2O Man Jan 2016 #71
There are thousands of elected positions in this country treestar Jan 2016 #75
Cool story...let's see, there was Citizen's United. I don't recall approving that. Then there was libdem4life Jan 2016 #76
You said it eloquently. lovemydog Jan 2016 #80
they are all elected treestar Jan 2016 #82
The Little People = Little Power People. Unless one has an office in The Beltway, they are libdem4life Jan 2016 #83
America's founders set up a democratic form of government. senz Jan 2016 #77
A superb post. hifiguy Jan 2016 #87
Thank so much, hifiguy. senz Jan 2016 #90
wonder why i could rec? the button is gone... silvershadow May 2016 #91
This is obscene madokie Jan 2016 #78
Like two opposing attorneys in a divorce case. They excoriate each other in court, then go to the libdem4life Jan 2016 #84
One thing they always share is their complete contempt hifiguy Jan 2016 #88
So true. Jonathon Livingston Seagull personified. libdem4life Jan 2016 #89
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