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23. Just signed. Even if this may be pointless, it sends a message to some in congress and the senate.

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White House Petition: Ban the AR-15 from Civilian Ownership [View all] Scuba Jun 2016 OP

What happens when you ban a specific model of weapon, the case of the TEK-9... PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #1

Pointless. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #2

Why do you say this Ms. 81 posts? vkkv Jun 2016 #59

If 20 dead 1st graders didn't get anything done, why would a petition? NightWatcher Jun 2016 #3

Credit where it's due. It would have at least as much impact as the petition to build a Death Star. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #9

Laws must be constutional, it doesn't matter how many people support it... pipoman Jun 2016 #4

The Assault Weapons Ban wasn't found to be unconstitutional and it banned specific weapon models. PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #5

Because it was allowed to sunset in 2004...why? pipoman Jun 2016 #6

It did survive several legal challenges... PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #10

The 80 year old SCOTUS standard is pipoman Jun 2016 #11

Assume a Democrat is elected and appoints a liberal replacement for Scalia. Do you think the newly PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #13

Yes. pipoman Jun 2016 #15

Tough call - look at the 4th circuit re:the Maryland ban. jmg257 Jun 2016 #12

Indeed. As Heller was a 5-4 decision a liberal justice replacing Scalia could swing the court PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #14

Not likely, the precedent is 80 years old pipoman Jun 2016 #22

symbolism over substance Crepuscular Jun 2016 #7

No thank you. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #8

Pointless Calista241 Jun 2016 #16

^^ All of this. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #21

I dont get this. ncjustice80 Jun 2016 #109

Not true progressives. Folks on the fence. NT pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #114

Signed, even though they already had enough signatures. liberalnarb Jun 2016 #17

thanks. I signed, and passed it along - but ellenrr Jun 2016 #18

The weapon used in Orlando wasn't actually an AR-15. NT Adrahil Jun 2016 #19

So what? HuckleB Jun 2016 #90

So, if we want effective legislation, we need... Adrahil Jun 2016 #93

So DU should be writing legislation? HuckleB Jun 2016 #99

Forgive me. I thought we were having an adult conversation... Adrahil Jun 2016 #100

No, you didn't. You were the one who played the NRA hand. HuckleB Jun 2016 #102

We've already had more than enough security theater, thanksverymuch. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #20

Just signed. Even if this may be pointless, it sends a message to some in congress and the senate. Laser102 Jun 2016 #23

Exactly. Scuba Jun 2016 #25

signed. eom LittleGirl Jun 2016 #24

At this point it would be like trying to ban human slaves from civilian ownership IronLionZion Jun 2016 #26

Anyone who owns an AR-15 desperately wants to kill someone? Marengo Jun 2016 #29

If you think someone is coming to murder you IronLionZion Jun 2016 #30

That doesn't answer the question. Yes or no, do you believe they WANT to? Marengo Jun 2016 #33

Yes IronLionZion Jun 2016 #34

Do you realize that there are DU members who own AR-15s or similar rifles? Marengo Jun 2016 #38

I'm sure law enforcement monitors online forums IronLionZion Jun 2016 #39

Another non-answer. Are YOU saying they are potential mass killers. Marengo Jun 2016 #52

Are YOU saying they are potential mass killers. Yes i am..... stonecutter357 Jun 2016 #56

I'd like to see you respond with that answer to DU members who state... Marengo Jun 2016 #63

I own an AR....... stonecutter357 Jun 2016 #68

I must have misunderstood your post, I thought you were answering for yourself... Marengo Jun 2016 #72

I own a Colt 6920 rifle Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #107

potential mass killers. stonecutter357 Jun 2016 #110

So what? Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #57

There were many law abiding responsible slave owners too IronLionZion Jun 2016 #40

You are equating owning an AR-15 to owning slaves? Marengo Jun 2016 #53

So I want to kill people? Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #105

Not desperately ... uponit7771 Jun 2016 #69

Is that the case for any gun owner? Wanting to kill? Marengo Jun 2016 #74

No, just people who buy devices DESIGNED to kill a lot of humans relatively efficiently uponit7771 Jun 2016 #75

I own several AR-15s and I am not desperate to kill anyone hack89 Jun 2016 #41

I'm sure many confederates owned several slaves without mistreating any of them IronLionZion Jun 2016 #42

The vast majority of gun owners will never hurt someone hack89 Jun 2016 #43

That 1% is what ruins things for everyone IronLionZion Jun 2016 #46

I am not worried about losing my guns nt hack89 Jun 2016 #47

People are worried about losing their lives IronLionZion Jun 2016 #48

The Democratic party has been good to gun owners hack89 Jun 2016 #49

You have the ability to kill a lot of people efficiently relatively speaking though uponit7771 Jun 2016 #70

So? hack89 Jun 2016 #73

Not with a device DESIGNED to do so though... uponit7771 Jun 2016 #76

So? hack89 Jun 2016 #77

Strawman, I said devices I could care less what they are if its designed to kill a lot of humans... uponit7771 Jun 2016 #78

That is the fundamental difference between us hack89 Jun 2016 #79

I have faith in people just not wackos, that's the difference between us... I want a high filter uponit7771 Jun 2016 #80

Good luck. hack89 Jun 2016 #81

I disagree with the NRA and punk ass'd legislators on that account, it''s not long or difficult ... uponit7771 Jun 2016 #82

Playing fast and loose with facts does not help you hack89 Jun 2016 #84

Strawman, didn't say they did... I said regulations... I'm correct and right on that account uponit7771 Jun 2016 #86

There are plenty of new laws we can pass hack89 Jun 2016 #87

And it's not a great target shooting gun, either. HuckleB Jun 2016 #92

It is the standard for high power rifle competition hack89 Jun 2016 #94

Well, when everyone I know who does competition says it's crap, I'm going with that. HuckleB Jun 2016 #98

I'm more inclined to believe the multitudes that use ARs for competition linuxman Jun 2016 #121

Then why spend money an AR-15? HuckleB Jun 2016 #91

It is the standard for high power rifle competition hack89 Jun 2016 #95

Sorry, but that's not what anybody I know says. HuckleB Jun 2016 #97

You need better informed friends hack89 Jun 2016 #104

Bullshit amateur psychoanalysis aside, that's the elephant in the room for confiscation advocates. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #58

And the bloodshed continues IronLionZion Jun 2016 #66

Now if only we cound get someone on board for the mental help programs being proposed right now... Matt_R Jun 2016 #115

Yeah, there will be violent resistance ... some harsh language... obscene gestures and pictures... uponit7771 Jun 2016 #71

I Signed - Over 104,000 To Date scottie55 Jun 2016 #27

You get to keep it hack89 Jun 2016 #44

Pass pintobean Jun 2016 #28

What we need is a new constitutional amendment to repeal the 2A and ban all guns. LonePirate Jun 2016 #31

France, Belgium, Netherlands, ad infinitum, ad nauseum, bernie_is_truth Jun 2016 #32

But they don't have near daily mass gun murders like we have in the US. LonePirate Jun 2016 #35

So repeal the 2nd, go ahead and get started DonP Jun 2016 #54

I like the 'near daily' part bernie_is_truth Jun 2016 #113

Exactly! The real problem is that people have guns. That's why gun violence rates are so high in hughee99 Jun 2016 #96

So the fact that all "mass shooters" had mental health problems is a-ok. Matt_R Jun 2016 #116

A vague law is a bad law; it's unenforceable. Our laws rely on precision of language. But when Brickbat Jun 2016 #36

The petition (I assume) was not intended to be a legal draft. Scuba Jun 2016 #50

Banning is not: well regulated. Festivito Jun 2016 #37

"Flick says he saw some grizzly bears near Pulaski's candy store!" MisterP Jun 2016 #67

Cute? Obtuse? Obfuscation? Redirection? Cathartic? Or, Festivito Jun 2016 #89

hidden agenda? I'm pretty damn open about being anti-semiautomatic MisterP Jun 2016 #108

I see opinion and no resolve to have anything other than having an opinion. eom Festivito Jun 2016 #111

signed! MisterP Jun 2016 #112

Nah. Waste of time and effort. Bonx Jun 2016 #45

Yes. We look quite foolish to the rest of the civilized world. ErikJ Jun 2016 #51

Goodbye AR-15... JohnnyRingo Jun 2016 #55

The problem with that idea is that it wouldn't have stopped the massacre... spin Jun 2016 #60

This bolt-action rifle owner says 'IT'S ABOUT FUCKING TIME OBAMA!" vkkv Jun 2016 #61

"F" as in "Fudd"? ;) jmg257 Jun 2016 #64

OK, yes, that is funny! ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #120

Fascinating how many poster miss the point that this is to raise awareness in DC, not serve ... Scuba Jun 2016 #62

Would police officers also be considered "civilian ownership"? Glassunion Jun 2016 #65

Done. marybourg Jun 2016 #83

I won't be signing it. n/t Waldorf Jun 2016 #85

Signed. ananda Jun 2016 #88

Congress would need to do this. NRA pays them too much Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #101

Signed. 125,000 signatures now. n/t livetohike Jun 2016 #103

No. greytdemocrat Jun 2016 #106

So the next day Armalite markets the "BS-16" Recursion Jun 2016 #117

It worked in 1994, why not again? ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #118

I'm still convinced the AWB was an idea planted by gunmakers (nt) Recursion Jun 2016 #119