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Straw Man

(6,622 posts)
151. Missed the point by miles.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:50 PM
Jun 2016
What injustice? How is effective birth control 'injustice'?

It isn't. Where did I ever say it was? Placing onerous restrictions on birth control is the injustice.

I'm amazed at the people who argue for gun control by citing such restrictions on abortion. Clearly they believe such restrictions are unjust and motivated simply by a desire to make abortion as difficult as possible. How can they then argue in good faith for similar restrictions on gun ownership?

Birth control and guns have absolutely nothing in common with each other. Nothing, zilch, zero, no common ground. At all. Ever.

I'm not the one who brought up abortion. You have me confused with someone else. However, you did say this:

Of course basic, general health care and contraception should be funded by our tax dollars!

If gun control is a public health issue, why should our tax dollars not also pay for remediation, such as gun locks?

Guns do more harm than good, the statistics don't lie.

What statistics are those? Do they account for defensive gun use? What figure do they cite for those?

I support a ban all gun ownership in the USA except for agricultural purposes, just like the rest of the civilized countries have done.

What "civilized countries" have banned all gun ownership except for agricultural purposes?
Got one. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #1
A lot of gunners have one gun lock, but 18 guns. Hoyt Jun 2016 #25
I have nine. All are safe behind a single lock... the combination lock that is part of the safe. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #92
18 guns locked up in a safe. Sounds good to me. Waldorf Jun 2016 #119
My guns are always locked up when not in use. nt hack89 Jun 2016 #2
Got a firearm? Get the fuck out of my house. hunter Jun 2016 #3
I'm your cousin. We used to show each other our private parts in my treehouse... cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #5
Not with a gun. hunter Jun 2016 #9
Recommended! YES! If you own firearms, and have children in the house, keep your guns locked away, Ghost in the Machine Jun 2016 #4
Reality check on the "teaching kids gun safety". Crunchy Frog Jun 2016 #54
Reality check on what I actually said.... Ghost in the Machine Jun 2016 #87
People say they can't kill the evil intruder with a locked gun adigal Jun 2016 #58
Police get 6 months to a year of firearms training? Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #63
LOL, right? More like "they get a 'proficiency test' every 6 months to a year to keep their Ghost in the Machine Jun 2016 #107
As a colleague of mine (former Deputy Sheriff and Prosecutor) used to COLGATE4 Jun 2016 #79
Yup.. peace13 Jun 2016 #83
AS my Drill Sergeant told me,... MohRokTah Jun 2016 #148
Absolutely right. nt COLGATE4 Jun 2016 #163
If you can hear someone trying to break in, you have time to unlock your gun, imho... Ghost in the Machine Jun 2016 #106
Then please promote projectchildsafe.org Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #6
Proper holster and plenty of safes. ileus Jun 2016 #7
Or in the right hands. hunter Jun 2016 #10
It isn't a fantasy. Indydem Jun 2016 #16
Gee, if only some trusted public health body could do a comprehensive study. Jerry442 Jun 2016 #23
You could always ask the CDC to do it. They are allowed. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #28
Allowed. Maybe true on paper, but doesn't seem to be so on the ground.. Jerry442 Jun 2016 #31
That is because ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #33
If you can't see the problem with those two statements... Jerry442 Jun 2016 #37
It's pretty simple, really. Straw Man Jun 2016 #126
In other words, no information from any source can be trusted, ever. Jerry442 Jun 2016 #137
Don't be absurd. Straw Man Jun 2016 #141
Flawed headline. Straw Man Jun 2016 #127
If only Oneka Jun 2016 #84
George Zimmerman comes to mind. Hoyt Jun 2016 #26
Meh. Indydem Jun 2016 #55
Most gunners like you supported Zman. I think they fear they might be in his position someday. Hoyt Jun 2016 #72
This post is full of shit. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #93
I guess supporting George Zimmerman stalking and murdering an unarmed teen, isn't full of crap? Hoyt Jun 2016 #94
"Most gunners like you" is a statement that is so full of shit it's eyes are brown. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #95
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #96
Is a picture I'd never have seen if you weren't passing it around supposed to "phase" me? cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #99
You show luke warm support for Zman. Your gun buddy really likes Zman's stalking and Hoyt Jun 2016 #100
I don't support that fat fuck you give a cute nickname to in any way. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #101
Zimmerman is a buffoon. Most "gunners" are nothing like him jack_krass Jun 2016 #123
One would think Hoyt is auditioning for a job as that fat fuck's PR person. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #159
Again, Meh. Indydem Jun 2016 #111
Perhaps those gunners you detest could tell by watching the trial how things were going Waldorf Jun 2016 #121
With adrenaline rushing through your body, shaking like a leaf? adigal Jun 2016 #59
where have I heard that one before.... ileus Jun 2016 #61
What is 'fake safe'? Demit Jun 2016 #86
Jusy fwiw d_r Jun 2016 #102
This is a powerful story. Thanks for sharing it. appal_jack Jun 2016 #164
What makes you think ... Straw Man Jun 2016 #128
I dunno Separation Jun 2016 #134
The VP's advice will land you in jail in most jurisdictions. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #135
Quite true. "Warning" shots are a terrible idea. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #139
Since so many people have protected themselves with a firearm (actual use Waldorf Jun 2016 #20
You should also promote the Eddie eagle safety program Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #8
Also see the Joe Camel smoking education series and Spuds McKenzie for responsible drinking. Jerry442 Jun 2016 #14
Slightly different Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #21
The program doesn't tell kids to shoot. Jerry442 Jun 2016 #24
The Eddie Eagle program? Not in any video or literature I am aware of. LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #32
Here. At 7:24. Jerry442 Jun 2016 #36
I stand corrected; I hadn't see their new video. LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #38
Just another approach to promoting gunz to children by he NRA under the guise of Eddie Eagle. Hoyt Jun 2016 #74
A little Eddie Eagle reality check. Crunchy Frog Jun 2016 #52
I'd be interested to know ... Straw Man Jun 2016 #129
Mine are in safes. New firarms come with locks. Waldorf Jun 2016 #11
But 'merka n/t leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #12
No one who believes in the second amendment should be against this... ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2016 #13
You might notice that the '2nd Amendment just in case' crowd forest444 Jun 2016 #15
Did you know sarisataka Jun 2016 #42
Not so. Childhood (-15 yoa) deaths-by-gun accidents have plunged to below 100/yr. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #114
No excuse for this. jtx Jun 2016 #17
You can get a rapid access gun safe many places. No excuses (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #35
90% govt rebate for purchase of gun safe would be a good thing too. hollowdweller Jun 2016 #18
I agree Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #22
In WA state ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #29
No offense, but I wouldn't want MY taxes to pay for YOU to keep your choice of weapons out of the underahedgerow Jun 2016 #45
Taxpayers TeddyR Jun 2016 #47
Of course basic, general health care and contraception should be funded by our tax dollars! Why underahedgerow Jun 2016 #108
So ... Straw Man Jun 2016 #132
Of course gun deaths are a public issue, that's why I support banning them all together. underahedgerow Jun 2016 #138
I said a public HEALTH issue. Straw Man Jun 2016 #140
Sorry I typed too fast and left out 'health'. But no, I don't favor gun locks, I favor banning the underahedgerow Jun 2016 #147
Missed the point by miles. Straw Man Jun 2016 #151
Dude, I just got a greenhouse that cost 11k and the gov't paid 3/4 of the cost. hollowdweller Jun 2016 #165
I didn't get a rebate for the spark arrestor on my chimney... cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #104
A fireplace is not a requirement, it is a choice.n/t oneshooter Jun 2016 #154
The joke's on you, Turbo. The gist of my post is I don't WANT a rebate for my safe. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #155
No, you were complaining that you did not get a rebate on your spark arrestor,Turbo. oneshooter Jun 2016 #156
This message was self-deleted by its author cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #158
My apologies, a small phone and 60+year old eyes. oneshooter Jun 2016 #160
No worries. I'm going to delete that post last post... it was very rude. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #161
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You sound like a republican po'd because somebody gets food stamps. hollowdweller Jun 2016 #166
Because I don't think gun safes, MINE INCLUDED, should qualify for rebates? cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #167
I should pay for your hobby? No. Squinch Jun 2016 #152
K&R, and teach your children not to touch grown up stuff. flvegan Jun 2016 #19
The only way to stop this is to get rid of the guns. Scruffy1 Jun 2016 #27
And that's not going to happen. Oh, you might get another useless cosmetic "assault weapon" ban Just reading posts Jun 2016 #40
NRA--Only way to stop a child with a gun is another child with a gun. I can hear it now. Sell, sell. The Wielding Truth Jun 2016 #105
Agreed. It works very well in all the civilized nations on the planet.... Canada, Australia, underahedgerow Jun 2016 #109
Civilization. Straw Man Jun 2016 #130
There is no excuse for an unsecured firearm. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #30
Absolutely right LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #34
That 50$ "gun safe" at Costco isn't really a safe. oneshooter Jun 2016 #64
If so, I'll stop recommending that particular one. Thanks (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #69
It's likely better than just hiding a gun in a drawer or closet. Ready4Change Jun 2016 #85
$79 is the cheapest gun safe I find at costco.com cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #112
No, it isn't. Straw Man Jun 2016 #131
Typically, it's safe from children. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #149
"Thumb print" gun locks on ALL guns ReRe Jun 2016 #39
And how do you plan on retrofitting the half billion guns that are already in circulation? Just reading posts Jun 2016 #41
Factory Recall... ReRe Jun 2016 #43
For the thousands of different models of guns from the last century and half? Just reading posts Jun 2016 #44
. ReRe Jun 2016 #46
Thank you for saying this. phylny Jun 2016 #62
Hear! Hear! n/t ReRe Jun 2016 #73
Sorry, but when you present absurd "solutions" that are politically and practically impossible to Just reading posts Jun 2016 #68
Tough. Write hem off as a bad investment and find a new hobby. Hoyt Jun 2016 #75
No. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #76
Let me guess, you have a Molon Labe flag or plaque. Hoyt Jun 2016 #81
Bzzzt! Wrong again. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #82
People can make their own ammo TeddyR Jun 2016 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author ReRe Jun 2016 #51
Reloading is a huge aspect of shooting sports Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #56
Sounds so charming, "fine tune their exact loads." Hoyt Jun 2016 #77
Of course the individual TeddyR Jun 2016 #67
You obviously are unaware that there's a thriviing business in reloadiing supplies. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #70
LOTS of people do. Ready4Change Jun 2016 #88
I'm guessing the number of people who load their own ammo is in the millions. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #98
Fingerprint scanners are not reliable enough. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #118
Handgun safes or lockboxes make great baby shower presents (Pics of Guns Warning). aikoaiko Jun 2016 #49
Excellent gift ideas. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #120
'Course, if there was no gun in the house in the first place.... baldguy Jun 2016 #50
True. If you don't like guns, don't get one. (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #97
Choice is a good thing. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #117
I'm sure the 4 yr old in the OP had such a choice. baldguy Jun 2016 #122
How do you stand on the prohibition of alcohol? Straw Man Jun 2016 #133
If we had alcohol advocates the way we have gun advocates baldguy Jun 2016 #136
Wrong again. Straw Man Jun 2016 #142
Ah, a graduate of the NRA Law School. baldguy Jun 2016 #143
Cute. Straw Man Jun 2016 #144
Accurate & relevant. baldguy Jun 2016 #145
Just as I figured. Straw Man Jun 2016 #146
I believe this is one of the bills that Dems want Congress to pass (or part of the bills) riversedge Jun 2016 #53
Locked safe or gun cabinet is always my recommendation Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #57
K & R nt Jack Bone Jun 2016 #60
I have a gun lock. Five of them to be exact. oneshooter Jun 2016 #65
I just got a crazy idea. Free gun locks. MH1 Jun 2016 #66
You can get them: sarisataka Jun 2016 #78
That's good. Maybe needs to be advertised/ promoted more? MH1 Jun 2016 #80
A couple of times sarisataka Jun 2016 #91
Federal Law on Locking Devices sl8 Jun 2016 #110
Thank you sarisataka Jun 2016 #113
Gun stores are happy to upsell a gun lock or safe LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #103
Gun safety advocates here certainly do, after getting through the flak... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #115
Some states require something like this. Ready4Change Jun 2016 #89
All of my firearms are locked up except for the one designated for home defense. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #71
I have both safes & locks for everything. GOLGO 13 Jun 2016 #90
Onehandle should be commended for a constructive OP. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #116
Caution is a good word to remember any time you have guns. raven mad Jun 2016 #124
It's a great idea. I have three on every one of mine. sir pball Jun 2016 #125
If my guns are locked how the hell do I defend myself against the swarthy men who wish to harm me??? hunter Jun 2016 #150
Lock them up when I am home alone HockeyMom Jun 2016 #153
An unsecured gun is a bad thing. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #157
I'm going to self-delete this thread. Some are using it to promote gun industry propaganda. nt onehandle Jun 2016 #168
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