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In the discussion thread: Can a country with open borders EVER ban guns? [View all]

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Sat Jul 9, 2016, 01:00 PM

LWolf (46,179 posts)

34. I want open borders.

I'm not sure I want to ban guns.

I don't like guns. I don't now, and never have, owned a gun. I wish people didn't worship them, and I wish people didn't, deliberately or in ignorance, misinterpret the 2nd amendment.

That said, I think that banning them...a "war on guns"...would work just as effectively as the "war on drugs." It would make the problem worse, not better.

I'd like stricter, and more strictly enforced, regulations. Hand in hand with that, I'd like a campaign to change this country's sick, dysfunctional addiction to fear, hate, rage, needy insecurity, and phallic inadequacy that feeds the gun culture. Somewhere in there, knocking the NRA off its damned pedestal would be good, too.

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97 replies	Author	Time	Post
Can a country with open borders EVER ban guns? [View all]	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2016	OP
Ask France.	underahedgerow	Jul 2016	#1
So the Charlie Hebdo massacre didn't happen then? NO GUNS?	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2016	#2
Yes, indeed it did, and it was horrifying. Do you constantly see spree killings in the headlines	underahedgerow	Jul 2016	#7
You see a spree killing every time spree killers want to see a spree killing	Nuclear Unicorn	Jul 2016	#19
+1. A good level-headed response to the usual straw-grasping. nt	villager	Jul 2016	#51
You then warrant a law successful only when 100% effective?	LanternWaste	Jul 2016	#71
Just pointing out France and Canada both have guns, but think there is registration there	SpookyDem	Jul 2016	#3
You THINK they have registration? In France you have to make an application just to buy	underahedgerow	Jul 2016	#4
It seemed you were saying that they didnt have guns in those countries,	SpookyDem	Jul 2016	#6
Australia strikes me as a unique situation	TeddyR	Jul 2016	#26
that's true, but for example, anyone from Canada could go to Alaska or the USA and sneak	underahedgerow	Jul 2016	#31
Australia has an immense unguarded coastline	Red Mountain	Jul 2016	#60
No one breaks the law in Canada?	former9thward	Jul 2016	#73
Not 'no one'. But most citizens respect the law for exactly what it is. That's why society	underahedgerow	Jul 2016	#74
So no illegal drugs in Canada.	former9thward	Jul 2016	#75
What's your point?	underahedgerow	Jul 2016	#81
Didn't know that. Thanks for the information.	SheilaT	Jul 2016	#78
I agree completely.	underahedgerow	Jul 2016	#82
"...guns...for agricultural purposes." ???	Petrushka	Jul 2016	#5
Not clear on the concept? Wild boars are a dangerous menace in the rural areas of France,	underahedgerow	Jul 2016	#8
On our farm "back home" in West Virginia . . .	Petrushka	Jul 2016	#13
I agree completely! That certainly falls under the 'agricultural purposes' realm,	underahedgerow	Jul 2016	#14
I forgot to mention . . . .	Petrushka	Jul 2016	#17
Yes and the agricultural purposes can be performed by an expanded game warden department.	Jim Beard	Jul 2016	#25
No, actually they can't	Red Mountain	Jul 2016	#61
If you start having problems with hogs,	Jim Beard	Jul 2016	#66
Right, ban hunting, good way to lose the vote of every rural person.	Odin2005	Jul 2016	#39
lololol if you think the EU and AUS and NZ have open borders	AntiBank	Jul 2016	#76
Apples and oranges	Major Nikon	Jul 2016	#9
Guns are easy to manufacture	madville	Jul 2016	#10
Not necessarily for an individual, at least from scrap...	Humanist_Activist	Jul 2016	#11
Go to aprox 3:30 in this video:	ret5hd	Jul 2016	#30
True, I just think that if we were to remove millions of guns from circulation in this country...	Humanist_Activist	Jul 2016	#42
Agree completely.	ret5hd	Jul 2016	#45
If we were to remove most guns from circulation, we might have a slight uptick...	Humanist_Activist	Jul 2016	#46
I live in Switzerland.	BlueMTexpat	Jul 2016	#12
Agreed. When an 11 year old can buy a gun in the USA, but can't buy cigarettes or	underahedgerow	Jul 2016	#15
+ a million or so! eom	BlueMTexpat	Jul 2016	#16
Where can an 11 year old buy a gun?	Nuclear Unicorn	Jul 2016	#20
This kid is 13.	underahedgerow	Jul 2016	#21
That transaction is illegal, far more illegal than buying a pack of cigarettes.	Nuclear Unicorn	Jul 2016	#55
Most Swiss appreciate their duty to their fellow citizens.	HassleCat	Jul 2016	#53
How many calls and how long would it take you	safeinOhio	Jul 2016	#18
Ask Australia.	Warren Stupidity	Jul 2016	#22
Australia is an island in the middle of the ocean	TeddyR	Jul 2016	#28
Canada and Mexico have much more stringent gun control than the US.	roamer65	Jul 2016	#57
Western Europe has had much lower homicide rates than the U.S. for well over 100 years.	Kang Colby	Jul 2016	#23
you are right	edhopper	Jul 2016	#24
I'm all or nothing. Continuing this dance with the NRA and gun humpers WON'T work.	underahedgerow	Jul 2016	#32
As long as you openly admit a complete ban is your goal, it won't be realized.	Marengo	Jul 2016	#38
I think it's the only way to get the message across. If the majority of people express this	underahedgerow	Jul 2016	#41
So you ban guns and 50% of the shootings continue. I'd call that a big friggin success.	Hoyt	Jul 2016	#27
None of my guns will ever take a life, Hoyt.	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2016	#35
How do you know that? Are they impossible for people to steal? Is it impossible to point them at...	Humanist_Activist	Jul 2016	#43
Impossible to steal?	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2016	#63
So you never remove them from the safe? Never go sport shooting or hunting?	Humanist_Activist	Jul 2016	#67
Well, good for you.	SheilaT	Jul 2016	#79
lol. your posts are getting funnier by the moment. nt	La Lioness Priyanka	Jul 2016	#29
It's a rare talent... thinking of things that bring constant ridicule.	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2016	#64
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jul 2016	#33
I want open borders.	LWolf	Jul 2016	#34
"phallic inadequacy". I love that. I KNOW my guns don't make my tiny dick bigger.	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2016	#36
Not all symptoms	LWolf	Jul 2016	#37
No wonder she made that weird smile and gave me a Daisy BB Gun for my B-Day!	Eleanors38	Jul 2016	#47
Right-o! No bother even trying. Nothing to see here!	MirrorAshes	Jul 2016	#40
As far as I'm aware of, Mexican cartels get's most of its guns from the United States.	Humanist_Activist	Jul 2016	#44
Heh. Maybe via the Mexican military, via the U.S.? Or the millions in circulation...	Eleanors38	Jul 2016	#48
I have a question, does gun control work in Canada?	Humanist_Activist	Jul 2016	#49
You have conflicting questions. I have no idea if gun control works in Canada.	Eleanors38	Jul 2016	#50
I would agree that the war on drugs has been very damaging to many places in the world...	Humanist_Activist	Jul 2016	#52
Actually, I see no evidence that the # of guns in circulation causes crime increases...	Eleanors38	Jul 2016	#56
I don't believe the prohibition comparison is that valid, if it were, then nations that do have...	Humanist_Activist	Jul 2016	#59
Nations with a history of low crime rates continue with that low rate, gun controls or no.	Eleanors38	Jul 2016	#68
Actually, per capita, criminality in the United Kingdom is higher...	Humanist_Activist	Jul 2016	#69
Interesting speculative question in your last paragraph.	Eleanors38	Jul 2016	#70
According to the data I linked, the rate of violence is about the same...	Humanist_Activist	Jul 2016	#72
I imagine the history goes well back to before our revolution, even further for the British.	Eleanors38	Jul 2016	#93
What are you talking about? The point seems to have gone over your head...	Humanist_Activist	Jul 2016	#94
I am saying that England, for whatever reason, has a lower homicide rate because...	Eleanors38	Jul 2016	#95
Homicide isn't an objective to most crime in the United States either, is your argument...	Humanist_Activist	Jul 2016	#96
No, homicide is NOT the objective of most crime in the U.S....	Eleanors38	Jul 2016	#97
Yes, it does work in Canada.	roamer65	Jul 2016	#58
Light switch question	Warpy	Jul 2016	#54
Unsurprisingly, yes, it is a shameful question.	Stinky The Clown	Jul 2016	#85
You CAN ban them	Red Mountain	Jul 2016	#62
Sounds like a plan	mwrguy	Jul 2016	#65
Sure, since you asked an extreme question	Eko	Jul 2016	#77
Saw how well that worked with the drug trade...	TipTok	Jul 2016	#80
It worked very well	Eko	Jul 2016	#83
Name a city in the United States where there is no marijuana, meth, or heroin.	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2016	#87
Uh,	Eko	Jul 2016	#88
Don't put words in my mouth. You said in states were drugs were illegal, they weren't "everywhere".	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2016	#89
Its a simple fact	Eko	Jul 2016	#90
That's not what you said.	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2016	#91
Its not	Eko	Jul 2016	#92
Can an island with a wide open coastline	malaise	Jul 2016	#84
Hint: They haven't.	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2016	#86

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