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mothra1orbit

(231 posts)
22. No, I don't feel sorry for them
Sun Oct 23, 2016, 11:04 AM
Oct 2016

I'm concerned that there is a chasm in our society between us and them that is far more important than even this election, which is incredibly important. I think the Trump campaign is indeed based on misogyny, racism and all that, and I believe that "deplorable" describes just about all his supporters, but I'm not sure that the actual people who are voting for him are all misogynists and racists. I find it hard to believe (and remember, this is Bucks County PA where all the Republicans are moderate and all the children above average) that the people I met at the Trump rally, deplorable as they are, truly believe the shit Trump is shoveling. My point is that we are a divided nation, not divided by Trump/Breitbart/neonazi/fascist values and our values, but by elite and non-elite. I believe that the "normal" people who are voting for Trump, who say they cannot support Hillary on any account, are reacting to something that has become ingrained in us that I'm not sure we can fix.

When JFK was running for the democratic nomination in 1960, the people of WV (where I'm from) loved him. Yet how much more of a cultural difference could possibly exist between him and the vast majority of WVians? Jay Rockefeller, who is probably many times richer and better-educated than JFK, was also beloved of WVians. Somehow these guys were able to connect with (for want of a better word) the lower orders culturally, and work with them to the betterment of our society as a whole. Hillary doesn't have that ability, nor do I in my small part of the world. And this distresses me.

Liberal guilt? [View all] mothra1orbit Oct 2016 OP
LOL Skittles Oct 2016 #1
No, I don't feel sorry for them mothra1orbit Oct 2016 #22
Jay and JFK didn't have to fight misogyny and a corporate media Skittles Oct 2016 #35
Sometimes simply accepting reality can be comforting A-Schwarzenegger Oct 2016 #2
Yeah mothra1orbit Oct 2016 #23
People can be polite and pleasant, but also deeply ignorant, not very bright and.... steve2470 Oct 2016 #3
You're probably right n/t mothra1orbit Oct 2016 #24
Not that we should feel guilty, but we should try to understand. alarimer Oct 2016 #4
In re: understanding pat_k Oct 2016 #13
Thank you mothra1orbit Oct 2016 #25
I have experienced the RW pressure to "change" my mind.. Thinkingabout Oct 2016 #5
Sorry... Don't agree. Adrahil Oct 2016 #6
Schooling.......... MyOwnPeace Oct 2016 #7
they are just racist. there are many people without formal education ergo do not support him JI7 Oct 2016 #9
Either they don't awoke_in_2003 Oct 2016 #10
"The Trump Question: Are You Listening?" pat_k Oct 2016 #12
See, I think on a personal, individual basis, this is a good idea kcr Oct 2016 #16
Absolutely. No "rolling over' pat_k Oct 2016 #20
For the most part I agree kcr Oct 2016 #21
but do you really think mothra1orbit Oct 2016 #30
They don't dislike the corporations treestar Oct 2016 #17
Trump should jump into the deepest hole on earth... pressbox69 Oct 2016 #15
We are supposed to be guilty for treestar Oct 2016 #18
When Trump supporters, and right wingers in general say things like "You think you're so smart" kcr Oct 2016 #19
I got a great public education LWolf Oct 2016 #28
Trump is running a con, and a con doesn't work unless The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2016 #29
I feel the same about trump supporters as I do about bigfoot hunters bhikkhu Oct 2016 #33
I don't think it's the educational system. GreenEyedLefty Oct 2016 #34
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