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Hillary Rodham Clinton ... [View all] NanceGreggs Dec 2016 OP

I wonder too...........I have no answers at all, my dear Nance... CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2016 #1

Me thinks the trolls are working overtime. AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #2

No one's ignoring the fact Nance, not at all. Hillary is to be acknowledged and congratulated for winning the popular vote... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #3

Maybe re-read the full original post fallrey Dec 2016 #6

Surrogates don't count, sorry, they just don't... folks expect to see their candidate glad handing and EARNING their votes, plain and simple. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #10

+1 berksdem Dec 2016 #162

Clinton didn't visit Wisconsin in the general election season. Barack_America Dec 2016 #11

That was regrettable for Hillary not to campaign there. It's called taking voters for granted... never a good idea. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #18

Hillary & her fellow high-level campaign associates. Please repudiate this if you can. If you can't, NBachers Dec 2016 #72

She didn't visit me in Toronto, either ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #66

How many electoral votes does Toronto have? Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #150

+1. nt MadDAsHell Dec 2016 #189

You're point being what? NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #238

It's very nice to hear that an educated, strongly self identified and politically active, Democrat Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #240

Oh, FFS! NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #241

Thanks, NanceGreggs Rorey Dec 2016 #156

"Maybe if the people in Wisconsin could be bothered" MadDAsHell Dec 2016 #188

In canada? fescuerescue Dec 2016 #193

If she had mcar Dec 2016 #135

Exactly. Damned if she does. Damned if she doesn't. Hillary just can't catch a break. eom BlueCaliDem Dec 2016 #181

Thank you for reminding everyone. She took them for granted-- too bad for us. TonyPDX Dec 2016 #160

No ones ignoring her razor thin losses in three crucial states. bettyellen Dec 2016 #7

Well, Trump is president-elect pintobean Dec 2016 #24

That's inaccurate. The result itself and our loss is huge. Hers, not so much to be truthful. bettyellen Dec 2016 #88

It's ridiculous to say she spent more time here in California Silver Gaia Dec 2016 #124

soooo, voter suppression tactics, questionable machines, russian interference, none of these niyad Dec 2016 #175

I think her strategy didn't ebbie15644 Dec 2016 #210

Agreed. ogradda Dec 2016 #214

Voter Suppression erpowers Dec 2016 #212

I do not believe voter suppression was a factor in PA unless ebbie15644 Dec 2016 #217

oh don't you know, Nance? Skittles Dec 2016 #4

We don't count? yuiyoshida Dec 2016 #20

Plus 1000 JustAnotherGen Dec 2016 #93

lol JHan Dec 2016 #101

that one amazes me treestar Dec 2016 #108

Yeah, I don't get that one, either, and as a Californian, Silver Gaia Dec 2016 #126

Not sure they are on our side or ever were. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #5

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In 2013 Supreme Court decision which struck down a key provision in the voters rights act. still_one Dec 2016 #73

So who did you vote for? still_one Dec 2016 #74

OBAMA in 2012 didn't get the votes that he did in 2008 -- when the economy pnwmom Dec 2016 #82

absolutely agree. niyad Dec 2016 #176

So, Dems should prioritize a popular vote victory over an EC win? Barack_America Dec 2016 #8

Yes, it's just the way the rules are written - as unfair as that may be - so, it's best to play AND STRATEGIZE, according to the rules... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #14

To many maggot MFM008 Dec 2016 #9

It's not a question of connecting with voters - clearly, The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #12

Thank you TVO, you said it a HELL of a lot better than I did above. The sooner people wake up to these facts, instead of ignoring them, the sooner we can get on to winning back the Presidency. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #21

40,000 Trump voters actually. triron Dec 2016 #28

We already know why. NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #32

You won't find me defending the EC. It's antiquated and obsolete The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #41

What went wrong in those three states? NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #78

That's another question that needs to be answered. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #164

Here are the vote totals for Minnesota MineralMan Dec 2016 #187

One of the best posts I've seen on this divisive topic True Dough Dec 2016 #79

Your very cogent points have not been addressed. Tatiana Dec 2016 #151

Agreed! This map shows it all. Even John Podesta said... RiverStone Dec 2016 #185

The electricity that should have surrounded her candidacy was pretty squelched in 2008 LisaM Dec 2016 #191

"claiming that an antiquated "establishment" system like the EC should take precedence" MadDAsHell Dec 2016 #190

The water is way too cloudy to examine anything objectively elmac Dec 2016 #53

Why is a vote in Wyoming worth more than a vote in California? DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2016 #90

The reason why small states have more clout is because the framers of the Constitution had to totodeinhere Dec 2016 #231

Well said. Bottom line is, we lost. Captain Stern Dec 2016 #129

Why are you repeating Trumpian talking-points that "California Doesn't Count?" emulatorloo Dec 2016 #170

"Trumpian talking points"? The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #180

Madam President in my books and how I will refer to her! mfcorey1 Dec 2016 #13

That is right, In my home elmac Dec 2016 #56

Hillary's message was strong and true.. Thank you, Nance Cha Dec 2016 #15

DU Rec In_The_Wind Dec 2016 #19

Mahalo, Sweetie! Love Cha Dec 2016 #22

This is the truth in a very concise nutshell. riverbendviewgal Dec 2016 #30

Yes, it is, riverbendviewgal.. Mahalo! Cha Dec 2016 #31

I'm going to post this everywhere I can. n/t Mr. Evil Dec 2016 #67

Thank you, Mr. Evil.. and another thing.. Cha Dec 2016 #69

I'd respect Thom Hartmann more if he'd stop broadcasting on Russia Today. Fla Dem Dec 2016 #143

Yes! All this shit to attack one fine woman who would have done and outstanding job as president. Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #117

That's right, Madam.. and this.. the gop have been working on Voter Suppression for years Cha Dec 2016 #136

she did win the popular vote DonCoquixote Dec 2016 #16

Good post LiberalLovinLug Dec 2016 #84

I think this election brings the EC into focus treestar Dec 2016 #113

yes the founders were wrong DonCoquixote Dec 2016 #213

Yes and they could not know treestar Dec 2016 #220

I like a fighter Protalker Dec 2016 #17

Not a Majority, a plurality masmdu Dec 2016 #23

Or... If 80,000 people in those three states weren't quite as fucking stupid, she would have won world wide wally Dec 2016 #25

KNR Lucinda Dec 2016 #26

Her entire margin of victory came from BeardofJGarfield Dec 2016 #27

why do people in California count less than racist repuke voters? Skittles Dec 2016 #34

That's the system in place BeardofJGarfield Dec 2016 #36

if you voted for Trump you ENDORSE racism and misogyny Skittles Dec 2016 #59

It wasn't necessarily those voting for Trump Chico Man Dec 2016 #127

Because the United States is not a democracy TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2016 #182

And Trump's ENTIRE margin of Electoral College victory came from 80,000 voters. pnwmom Dec 2016 #35

They shouldn't BeardofJGarfield Dec 2016 #37

Your state engaged in deliberate and inexcusable voter suppression. pnwmom Dec 2016 #39

It has passed one house BeardofJGarfield Dec 2016 #42

Your state engaged in voter suppression. That's why the Rethugs won there. pnwmom Dec 2016 #44

But consider Minnesota. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #64

If something is not just, it needs to be changed treestar Dec 2016 #112

And if that's your margin in the PV, good luck governing BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #38

It seems strange BeardofJGarfield Dec 2016 #40

We won the Senate PV by 11 points nationally and lost 22 of 24 elections to R incumbents BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #47

yeah thanks for the maggot MI MFM008 Dec 2016 #43

As a soon to be ex Michigander elmac Dec 2016 #57

Elmac MFM008 Dec 2016 #58

I know, I'm surrounded by them elmac Dec 2016 #61

I keep reading the ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #45

You;re missing the point BeardofJGarfield Dec 2016 #49

I am not missing the point ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #52

They are unrepresentative of the whole BeardofJGarfield Dec 2016 #55

What they are representative of ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #76

Voters who don't win extra points under the current system BeardofJGarfield Dec 2016 #86

I've never thought of myself ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #89

It it not just that she won the popular vote.. JHan Dec 2016 #99

YES. I agree that it makes more sense to look at this as an urban Silver Gaia Dec 2016 #145

I think you said that better than I ever could.. JHan Dec 2016 #146

Aw, thanks. I just thought you were making an extremely important point! Silver Gaia Dec 2016 #148

And hey... Silver Gaia Dec 2016 #159

Bravo BeardofJ, Your analysis rings true BREMPRO Dec 2016 #62

Uhm JHan Dec 2016 #100

Elitist coastal thinking? Really? Silver Gaia Dec 2016 #147

+1 leftstreet Dec 2016 #83

Midwesterners cannot figure out that the ACA helped them, rather like a New Deal program Kolesar Dec 2016 #140

Yep jack_krass Dec 2016 #174

Remember when DU was founded due to a guy losing the popular vote winning? joshcryer Dec 2016 #29

Yes. And no one here was saying that it was Gore's fault or pnwmom Dec 2016 #46

It was unquestionably the Supreme Court's fault. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #51

Clearly that election was stolen by the SCOTUS....what brought me to DU. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #85

and Gore's popular vote total was treestar Dec 2016 #109

Some were IronLionZion Dec 2016 #200

Of late ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #50

Not really melman Dec 2016 #183

After the electors vote humbled_opinion Dec 2016 #48

I caught a recent Ed Schultz video ( and the last one I will watch) elmac Dec 2016 #60

That's the effect of Clinton hate.. JHan Dec 2016 #102

Oh, I believe we can count on some Democrats supporting him. That's a given. TonyPDX Dec 2016 #168

Honestly, I think the magic moment that threw the election to the Con was Comey's napi21 Dec 2016 #54

Kick...interesting thread. Upthevibe Dec 2016 #71

I seem to recall... StarzGuy Dec 2016 #63

You wonder why? Its really simple. The criticism you hear is due to her losing the election. aikoaiko Dec 2016 #68

Hillary did connect with the voters. ... spin Dec 2016 #70

Hillary Was Weak on Trade DallasNE Dec 2016 #75

Ah, yes, my mistake. NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #77

Bernie Did Show Her The Way On Trade DallasNE Dec 2016 #87

Voters who prioritized Economic concerns preferred her.. JHan Dec 2016 #97

Trump voters did not vote based on trade mcar Dec 2016 #138

+1 TonyPDX Dec 2016 #172

We are the majority and the GOP is the minority on the side of this election. ffr Dec 2016 #80

Yes. NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #81

Lots of posters saying California voters are superfluous. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2016 #91

Some people are saying the few most popullous states should choose the POTUS jack_krass Dec 2016 #98

I am seeing a lot of GOP talking points in these environs recently DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2016 #105

the EC is NOT a GOP thing FFS, it forces candidates to appeal broadly, jack_krass Dec 2016 #115

I wasn't suggesting you are a Republican. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2016 #122

My bad then :) But I think the EC is screaming at us to broaden the message and win more jack_krass Dec 2016 #128

I would like to see the whole nation blue. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2016 #134

The conservatives in my orbit confirm this: TonyPDX Dec 2016 #179

Yes Yes and Yes! NastyRiffraff Dec 2016 #184

no, states don't matter to people like they did in 1789 treestar Dec 2016 #110

What about your "overly poweful" Senate vote? Gonna give that up too? jack_krass Dec 2016 #116

I would treestar Dec 2016 #121

"I would" well at least your consistent jack_krass Dec 2016 #130

I'd pretend that to be the case as well if I too had difficulty following basic English conversation LanternWaste Dec 2016 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author jack_krass Dec 2016 #118

Because a whole lot of Democrats were stubbornly in the Never Hillary camp salster Dec 2016 #92

Since america is divided into different dimensions zippythepinhead Dec 2016 #94

They want to use Clinton's "loss" as an excuse to dismantle the party leadership baldguy Dec 2016 #95

Yeah.. and it's not going to work. Cha Dec 2016 #232

I have to wonder why this isn't in the postmortem forum. Vinca Dec 2016 #96

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she didnt win it by enough in the places needed bowens43 Dec 2016 #104

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Oh bullshit. ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #133

Oh stop with the bullshit conspiracies and whining. JTFrog Dec 2016 #137

This is THE truth. FourScore Dec 2016 #149

I agree. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #154

Thank you Coolest Ranger Dec 2016 #106

Right on, it was simply the fluke of the weird Electoral College treestar Dec 2016 #107

She won California, not the entire country BRToldschool Dec 2016 #114

California is a state treestar Dec 2016 #123

Thank you. Silver Gaia Dec 2016 #166

and the EC was designed to protect the slave-holding landowner class, a fact that is forgotten niyad Dec 2016 #177

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All this shit to attack one fine woman who would have done and outstanding job as president. Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #119

It's not right, it's not fair, and I absolutely hate it, but currently it's the rules of the game. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #120

Exactly. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #169

It's simple Chico Man Dec 2016 #125

I've seen her vote total dismissed because it was CA and NY mcar Dec 2016 #132

K&R n/t JTFrog Dec 2016 #139

2,864,978. Our Platform Won! Coyotl Dec 2016 #141

Whats this chart trying to say? California is a very, very populpus state, ... jack_krass Dec 2016 #167

It is trying to say exactly what the words read. Coyotl Dec 2016 #178

Exactly keepthemhonestO Dec 2016 #142

She won the primary and popular vote in the general by millions. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #144

At best, HRC won (popular vote). At worst, she lost an exaggerated tie (electoral college). no_hypocrisy Dec 2016 #152

If the EV/popular votet totals were reversed, you'd be singing a different tune. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #153

Yes, it was a perfect campaign... RazBerryBeret Dec 2016 #155

It certainly has been a bizarre election cycle, starting way way back when outsiders decided.... George II Dec 2016 #157

no enthusiasm AlexSFCA Dec 2016 #158

Maybe it's time for federal election reform? mwooldri Dec 2016 #161

I certainly don't blame Hillary, but I don't support overturning... LAS14 Dec 2016 #163

The reason is because popular votes means nothing in the USA... Joe941 Dec 2016 #165

MISOGYNY, for one. dino's for another niyad Dec 2016 #171

k and r + several gazillion niyad Dec 2016 #173

Yes deist99 Dec 2016 #186

I don't think anyone ignores that fact fescuerescue Dec 2016 #192

K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Dec 2016 #194

I cannot K&R this post BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #195

It's in the constitution and we were expecting to win big IronLionZion Dec 2016 #196

My OP isn't about fighting the EC ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #197

Nance, Majority of voters isn't enough IronLionZion Dec 2016 #199

Yet again, the OP ISN'T about a win or a loss ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #206

Connecting more with voters in PA, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin IronLionZion Dec 2016 #208

Kick for today Hekate Dec 2016 #198

K & R SunSeeker Dec 2016 #201

3 million illegals!!! budkin Dec 2016 #202

Florida... Blanks Dec 2016 #203

BOOM!!!! All I can say is you are wrong on so many fronts. You are blaming KPN Dec 2016 #204

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. You're the BEST, Nance. 11 Bravo Dec 2016 #205

She needs to stay on the scene and do rallies. gulliver Dec 2016 #207

We cannot let anyone forget or dismiss this accomplishment Gothmog Dec 2016 #209

Kick for Hillary! Thanks Nance! Cha Dec 2016 #211

I keep telling people she won the PV, they don't like hearing it. Rex Dec 2016 #215

I think it keeps coming back to her being a 68 year old woman who thought she was ehrnst Dec 2016 #216

What we have just seen in action ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #222

Yes, Hillary was always given the benefit of suspicion, when it was never given to her ehrnst Dec 2016 #239

i dont know what to think about a lot of this anymore. nt 7962 Dec 2016 #218

Maybe it was the smugness. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #219

............. Oh yeah that makes perfect sense... yeah perfect... JHan Dec 2016 #221

Whose "smugness" are you talking about? NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #223

The smugness of the so called "liberal elite"... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #233

Some jobs are obsolete. NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #234

I'm talking about good paying factory jobs. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #235

Well, no need to worry now. NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #236

He doesn't CARE about the working class.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #237

The smugness of the stein voters who are so gd self-centered Cha Dec 2016 #228

K&R Gothmog Dec 2016 #224

No, The Systems Not Totally Rigged. But That Idea Sure Helped Donald Trump. Gothmog Dec 2016 #225

K&R... spanone Dec 2016 #227

Deplorable dipshits were predisposed to vote for Trump. Hill would oasis Dec 2016 #229

She was portrayed as a monster. Or worse. War Horse Dec 2016 #230

. . . . niyad Dec 2016 #242