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LWolf

(46,179 posts)
12. The manipulating
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 05:06 PM
Jul 2017

of terms, the evolution of labels, is on-going. Language evolves, and sometimes specific labels evolve more quickly because they make good propaganda fodder.

I'm not completely sure what your first sentence about trickle-down and privatization is saying; are you saying folks used to call people "neo-liberal" who were against "trickle-down" and privatization? Because that's simply not accurate. "neo" meaning new, "neo-liberal" is a term tied to economic liberalism: unregulated capitalism. You know. The very policies the progressive era battled against. Neoliberalism embraces privatization and unregulated commerce.

I call the Democratic establishment neoliberal because they've been the party power holders since the 90s. The Clintons, the DLC, ushered neoliberalism into the party. I'm sure it started earlier than that, but that's when it went mainstream. That's when it became fashionable to divorce social and economic justice; to claim to be "socially liberal" and economically conservative," the latter ironically pointing out that the new political fashion trend didn't understand liberalism or conservativism when it comes to economics. The establishment is whatever group is holding power. But you are certainly correct that terms are regularly stripped of meaning.

Backlash here has much more to do with defending the losses of '16 by deflecting blame than it does the evolution of terms.

Chomsky, once a darling on DU, does a good job with neoliberalism; of course, now that he isn't toeing the approved line, he's not so much a darling here.

So there’s the two existential threats that we’ve created—which might in the case of nuclear war maybe wipe us out; in the case of environmental catastrophe, create a severe impact—and then some.

A third thing happened. Beginning around the ’70s, human intelligence dedicated itself to eliminating, or at least weakening, the main barrier against these threats. It’s called neoliberalism. There was a transition at that time from the period of what some people call “regimented capitalism,” the ’50s and ’60s, the great growth period, egalitarian growth, a lot of advances in social justice and so on—

CL: Social democracy…

NC: Social democracy, yeah. That’s sometimes called “the golden age of modern capitalism.” That changed in the ’70s with the onset of the neoliberal era that we’ve been living in since. And if you ask yourself what this era is, its crucial principle is undermining mechanisms of social solidarity and mutual support and popular engagement in determining policy.

It’s not called that. What it’s called is “freedom,” but “freedom” means a subordination to the decisions of concentrated, unaccountable, private power. That’s what it means. The institutions of governance—or other kinds of association that could allow people to participate in decision making—those are systematically weakened. Margaret Thatcher said it rather nicely in her aphorism about “there is no society, only individuals.”


https://www.thenation.com/article/noam-chomsky-neoliberalism-destroying-democracy/

Neoliberalism is real, it has a stranglehold on the Democratic Party, and this is the best opportunity to leave it behind that we've had in decades. It would require, though, being accountable, and moving on would change the party power structure. Nobody gives up power willingly.
The term "neoliberal" has been basterdized to the point of no return. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #1
If you use the term "neoliberal", IMO you've lost the argument. LisaM Jul 2017 #2
I disagree. It means a LOT, but it can be summed up.......... socialist_n_TN Jul 2017 #3
Yes. LWolf Jul 2017 #8
Folks used the term "neo-liberal" on DU'ers who are adamantly against trickle-down and privatization emulatorloo Jul 2017 #10
The manipulating LWolf Jul 2017 #12
I've beem called neoliberal... Adrahil Jul 2017 #13
No I am saying progressives and left-liberals at DU were called 'neo-liberals' emulatorloo Jul 2017 #14
Thanks. LWolf Jul 2017 #37
Dunno if you were here in 2016, but it was self-described 'progressives' pushing the false divide emulatorloo Jul 2017 #39
I've been here since '02. LWolf Jul 2017 #43
"I'm spending the majority of my political time in the real world" suggested to me you maybe emulatorloo Jul 2017 #44
No. LWolf Jul 2017 #45
Thanks for a dose of reality. nt PufPuf23 Jul 2017 #17
Excellent post. Thank you. nt Doremus Jul 2017 #21
Good explanation. Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2017 #28
I think the reality is that LWolf Jul 2017 #38
then it doesn't apply to anyone to the left of Paul Ryan, and it's very puzzling why it geek tragedy Jul 2017 #16
Obama and Clinton both bought into the neo-liberal mindset......... socialist_n_TN Jul 2017 #19
However... yallerdawg Jul 2017 #25
The PROC is NOT a model for Marxism........ socialist_n_TN Jul 2017 #35
Is there any functioning model left? Was there ever any? yallerdawg Jul 2017 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author ymetca Jul 2017 #31
Obama managed to be a Socialist Alinskyite geek tragedy Jul 2017 #33
I've never seen a real, card-carrying, dues paying socialist.......... socialist_n_TN Jul 2017 #34
He was also a Muslim who had a Crazy Christian preacher at his church! emulatorloo Jul 2017 #40
+1 leftstreet Jul 2017 #30
Well, since I'veh heard it applied to me and to other HRC voters... LisaM Jul 2017 #11
Not a meaningless label at all. You can pretend that it is but that's a surprising behavior Doremus Jul 2017 #23
Meaningless in that it has been misapplied one too many times in 2016 emulatorloo Jul 2017 #41
Totally. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #26
With Thomas Friedman, it's kind of deserved. HughBeaumont Jul 2017 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author LanternWaste Jul 2017 #5
In my experience, people who use the term "neo-liberal" don't actually know what it means. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #6
Yep Means in favor of trickle down economics and privatization. To people who use it, means emulatorloo Jul 2017 #9
I always think Libertarians ismnotwasm Jul 2017 #7
one of those words that mean whatever the person using it want it to mean, e.g. "corporatist" geek tragedy Jul 2017 #15
Slapping a stupid label on everything and everyone to discredit them is the height of intellectual Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #18
If "neoliberal" means fiscal conservative, social liberal, and pro free trade taught_me_patience Jul 2017 #20
What's a "fiscal conservative" and how does it jive with Democratic principles? nt Doremus Jul 2017 #24
A counter to the GOP principle of running up huge deficits while cutting taxes on rich people emulatorloo Jul 2017 #42
When I read neoliberal definition Dem2 Jul 2017 #22
I find those that use the term neoliberal Eko Jul 2017 #27
Neolution is the real danger tirebiter Jul 2017 #29
Neoliberal replaced Third Way as the popular mindless go-to insult 'cause it has more syllables betsuni Jul 2017 #32
Ms. Peyser put out a call to the wrong people. LWolf Jul 2017 #46
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