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ghostsinthemachine

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56. Seven points on the inferno in Northern California
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 11:36 PM
Oct 2017

Seven points on the inferno in Northern California right now:
1. This is the worst we've seen. As I write, the confirmed death count is 24. Hundreds more are reported missing. And the official death toll will only count people who died in the blaze -- not the sick, elderly, and otherwise compromised pushed over the edge by the toxic, sooty air we've been breathing for days.
2. These are not wildfires per se. They are burning through vineyards, private lands, and suburban subdivisions. And the likely ignition source is not natural (see next point).
3. The most plausible explanation of how so many fires started at once comes from a Mercury News investigation by Paul Rogers: Sonoma County dispatchers sent fire crews to at least 10 different locations on Sunday night responding to calls of sparking wires and other electrical problems [shortly after the report came out, Pacific Gas and Electric no-showed on an interview they'd scheduled with us at KPFA].
4. The initial electrical damage happened during a night-time windstorm with gusts up to 79 miles per hour. Those are hurricane-force winds . . . hot, dry, hurricane-force winds driving fire instead of rain -- and driving it toward heavily-populated areas.
5. Such wind patterns aren't unheard of here. What has become more common in recent years, however, are warm nights that leave brush warm and dry, instead of cool and dew-moistened. Check Leah Rachel Swan 's reporting at SFgate for more.
6. Also connected to climate weirding: California had record-breaking rains this winter, followed by record-breaking heat this summer. The rains helped grow more brush--"fuel" in the parlance of fire officials. The heat dried it into tinder. (And the preceding five years of extreme drought also left California's forests full of dead and drying trees.)
7. All but lost in the disaster coverage (and the NFL taunting, and the nuclear drama): this is also the week that Scott Pruitt, President Trump's pick to head the EPA, announced a rollback of the most significant Obama-era rules intended to curb climate change, the Clean Power Plan. It wasn't adequate, but it was something -- and now it's gone. Brian Edwards-Tiekert

Northern CA is on fire [View all] ghostsinthemachine Oct 2017 OP
Such a beautiful area. awesomerwb1 Oct 2017 #1
I'm currently the only one at my dispatch office in Santa Rosa. I work for an internet ISP. Downtown Hound Oct 2017 #2
Please be careful, if you are where I think you are. Crash2Parties Oct 2017 #16
News on Sonoma fires ghostsinthemachine Oct 2017 #3
Nevada County info ghostsinthemachine Oct 2017 #4
More fire resources.. ghostsinthemachine Oct 2017 #7
Gov. Brown declares state of emergency for Napa, Sonoma and Yuba counties ghostsinthemachine Oct 2017 #5
It's been a devastating fire season in the west this year. Thoughts to those caught in this. suffragette Oct 2017 #6
I know. And you're not the only friend there. raven mad Oct 2017 #8
CRAP! Forgot to add, great links, and I hope folks save them. raven mad Oct 2017 #9
Actually they should move to Neptune, Planet X, or Blue_true Oct 2017 #37
Fear is the mindkiller.............. raven mad Oct 2017 #46
I had a feeling that this would happen when it was 93 on Sat in San Diego. BigmanPigman Oct 2017 #10
Your present Santana wind is tame compared to what has been happening in Northern California Brother Buzz Oct 2017 #11
Moving into Lake and Mendocino WhiteTara Oct 2017 #12
The old house and grounds in the middle of Santa Rosa burned down? cally Oct 2017 #13
Yes, according to my friend who lives there WhiteTara Oct 2017 #14
No! As of 2pm PST, the older parts of town are still okay. Crash2Parties Oct 2017 #17
I'm in Marin ailsagirl Oct 2017 #15
Petaluma is okay, G & H sections of RP evac'd but no fire there yet. Crash2Parties Oct 2017 #18
A friend just told me that Sears Point is on fire-- is that so? that's awfully close ailsagirl Oct 2017 #21
Hwy 37 has reopened.... Brother Buzz Oct 2017 #22
Thank you for that! ailsagirl Oct 2017 #32
My son is on Lakeville Highway, just above 37. They are evacuating. GregD Oct 2017 #38
Tons of rain, tons of growth, tons of fire. AngryAmish Oct 2017 #19
Just saw that malaise Oct 2017 #20
Ironically, the weather turns, and fire season mostly ends on Columbus day (Oct 12) Brother Buzz Oct 2017 #25
Sonoma fire threatens cannabis crop... ghostsinthemachine Oct 2017 #23
Responsible for sparking the fire? maxsolomon Oct 2017 #24
I have a friend in Kenwood. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #26
I'm sorry to say but Kenwood is right in the path of the fire Downtown Hound Oct 2017 #27
Thank you. I'll reach out to her son to make sure she is safe. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #28
My friend in Kennwood lost her house Brother Buzz Oct 2017 #29
I'm so sorry to hear this. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #31
Does she live on the valley floor or up a canyon? Brother Buzz Oct 2017 #33
Valley floor. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #34
That's a plus Brother Buzz Oct 2017 #35
Thanks for the info. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #36
Here's a good link malaise Oct 2017 #30
These fires are horrible greytdemocrat Oct 2017 #39
North of ten on the radio Brother Buzz Oct 2017 #40
Inferno destroys parts of Santa Rosa blocks of homes gone Baclava Oct 2017 #41
Apocalyptic Brother Buzz Oct 2017 #42
Holy crap. The poor people. greytdemocrat Oct 2017 #44
My daughter lost everything marlakay Oct 2017 #43
Very sorry for your daughter & you CountAllVotes Oct 2017 #58
I did smell it last night and this very early morning... yuiyoshida Oct 2017 #45
If your neighbor grills and it smells like wildfire/homes burning- I wouldn't eat his food snooper2 Oct 2017 #49
Fire is the worst, everything completely gone Baclava Oct 2017 #47
Things are not better and look to get worse ghostsinthemachine Oct 2017 #48
Napa update ghostsinthemachine Oct 2017 #50
Old growth redwoods are ok CountAllVotes Oct 2017 #51
Well not really ghostsinthemachine Oct 2017 #54
Up north they are AOK CountAllVotes Oct 2017 #57
Have lived through this in eastern Washington state, cilla4progress Oct 2017 #52
Two in-laws in the immediate area CountAllVotes Oct 2017 #53
Calistoga under evacuation ghostsinthemachine Oct 2017 #55
Seven points on the inferno in Northern California ghostsinthemachine Oct 2017 #56
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