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XorXor

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24. If these tanks were not sent to Ukraine, we still wouldn't have M4A
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 01:13 PM
Jan 2023

Instead we'd have a Russian flag flying over Kyiv and still be without a good solution for our healthcare system. Your argument is a lot like the ones that complain about the "wasteful" space program with a 24 billion dollar budget. As if those are things preventing us from funding multi-hundred billion dollar or even trillion dollar programs. Neither of these are what's preventing that from happening.

Helping Ukraine defend itself against Russian aggression is exactly how we should want our defense monies to be spent. Is it a good thing? No! It would be better if we didn't have to, but much like in WW2, it is something that needs to be done. This isn't like us spending trillions of dollars in our own unnecessary and counter productive war of aggression in Iraq.

Maybe you can elaborate on how you believe the situation should be handled. I'm always interested in hearing different viewpoints.

i could about 150+ modern western tanks pledged to Ukraine now. samsingh Jan 2023 #1
That can be deceiving.... getagrip_already Jan 2023 #2
Between a Bradley and a T-72 variant, the winner is usually whoever sees the other first GregariousGroundhog Jan 2023 #5
Even mobile infantry support is a waste of a tank's capabilities. Aristus Jan 2023 #6
Lima Army Tank Plant, in Lima Ohio is in 'Gym' Jordans district makes the M1A1 Abrams irisblue Jan 2023 #10
You can be damned sure he's going to try to minimize President Biden's contributions, Aristus Jan 2023 #12
His district has kept him in office since 2007. You are likely right irisblue Jan 2023 #15
Ukraine has done some offensive opperations Buzz cook Jan 2023 #14
A Battalion (31) Of M1A2-Abrams... GB_RN Jan 2023 #7
The current count is 73 tanks definitively pledged GregariousGroundhog Jan 2023 #3
It's The M1A2, Officially Announced... GB_RN Jan 2023 #8
Even better :) GregariousGroundhog Jan 2023 #16
Bet we get a nuke threat from Putin today. BradBo Jan 2023 #4
And, hopefully, a stroke peppertree Jan 2023 #9
I had a dream of a a massive nuke strike and counter strike right over my head, woke me up! Shanti Shanti Shanti Jan 2023 #29
I'll bet orangecrush Jan 2023 #11
More anti missle and anti aircraft weapons would be nice as well. Buzz cook Jan 2023 #13
like it republianmushroom Jan 2023 #17
great day to be a defense contractor dembotoz Jan 2023 #18
That's not all Calista241 Jan 2023 #19
Thereby ingeniously providing Scholz of his figleaf anamnua Jan 2023 #20
Yay. More $$ to war contractors. Seeking Serenity Jan 2023 #21
So your solution about Russian aggression is.............what? MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2023 #22
My course of action would NOT be endless war Seeking Serenity Jan 2023 #25
I'm anti war also given my experiences, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2023 #27
"Y'know, like Democrats used to." BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #28
The Neville Chamberlain disgrace shouldn't be repeated. Lucky Luciano Jan 2023 #23
If these tanks were not sent to Ukraine, we still wouldn't have M4A XorXor Jan 2023 #24
What kind of fuel to they run on? Premium? Diesel? maxsolomon Jan 2023 #26
M1 Abrams has a jet turbine engine rather than a diesel, so they use JP-8 aviation gas, jet fuel Shanti Shanti Shanti Jan 2023 #30
Yes, they do run on JP-8, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2023 #31
True too, whatever they use, have lots of it, they be the ultimate gas guzzlers, gallons to the mile Shanti Shanti Shanti Jan 2023 #32
Absolutely correct, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2023 #33
One thing the Ukrainian tankers are really going to love about the Abrams: Aristus Jan 2023 #34
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