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happyslug

(14,779 posts)
51. That is NOT the Common Law Rule
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 08:26 PM
Nov 2013

Now California is one of 10 states that have a law requiring people to notify police but only of crimes where the victim is under age 14, thus it does NOT apply in this case:

152.3. (a) Any person who reasonably believes that he or she has observed the commission of any of the following offenses where the victim is a child under the age of 14 years shall notify a peace
officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2:
(1) Murder.
(2) Rape.
(3) A violation of paragraph (1) of subdivision (b) of Section 288 of the Penal Code.
(b) This section shall not be construed to affect privileged relationships as provided by law.
(c) The duty to notify a peace officer imposed pursuant to subdivision (a) is satisfied if the notification or an attempt to provide notice is made by telephone or any other means.
(d) Failure to notify as required pursuant to subdivision (a) is a misdemeanor and is punishable by a fine of not more than one thousand five hundred dollars ($1,500), by imprisonment in a county
jail for not more than six months, or by both that fine and imprisonment.
(e) The requirements of this section shall not apply to the following:
(1) A person who is related to either the victim or the offender, including a husband, wife, parent, child, brother, sister, grandparent, grandchild, or other person related by consanguinity or affinity.
(2) A person who fails to report based on a reasonable mistake of fact.
(3) A person who fails to report based on a reasonable fear for his or her own safety or for the safety of his or her family.


http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=142-181

Thus, even in California, you do NOT have to call 911 in your hypothetical. You can just keep on walking and you would have violated no law. If you helped the person, you can be held liable for any harm you did (and thus I would advise you to all 911 to minimize any harm you may do).

Now, based on the facts in this case, he was an employee of his employer. The Employer had contracted with these patients to take care of them and that duty of care extended to the employees. Thus even under the Common Law, the employee had a duty to take care of these people until relieved of that duty, a relief the STATE failed to do till the 26th.

Now, there are restrictions as to how LONG a time period such care can be provided. Prior to 1865, no restrictions existed as to the length of care that could be expected, but in 1865 the US passed the Amendment that outlawed Slavery, which put a restriction as to how long you can demand someone to take care of someone who is not a blood relative (I.e. to long a duty you are making someone a slave and that was illegal after 1865).

The courts have been reluctant to determine when it is reasonable for someone to leave someone that the first person had a duty to take care of, but the person doing the care is doing it for no compensation. In most cases either blood relatives take up the duties (the traditional method) or in many modern situations for in most cases the State steps in and takes over the duties.

In this case the state took over on the 26th of October. My position is this employee had a duty (along with his employer and the other employees of the home) to take care of the patients till the State took over. I suspect that is what the State was counting on, but the employer skipped town, something the State and County was NOT expecting (Yes, I believe they should have been expecting it, but I suspect the State refused to even consider it possible). For skipping town the employer should be jailed, but I doubt he or she ever will be.

Just explaining who had a duty in this case. This employee fulfilled his duties, but the Employer clearly did not.

Talk about tearing your heart right out of your chest madokie Oct 2013 #1
This has nothing to do with RepubliCONs. truedelphi Nov 2013 #40
There are truly good people in the world dem in texas Oct 2013 #2
True... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #5
I hope he gets a hero's welcome and double pay or even triple pay plus a nice bonus. Auntie Bush Oct 2013 #3
This is what happens when you privatize Nursing Homes... ReRe Oct 2013 #4
Yes indeed -- and should be a warning to everyone Blue Owl Nov 2013 #27
Don't tell me we live in a functional society . . . Brigid Nov 2013 #6
I just want the tea partiers, immigrant haters, and xenophobes to take note of this guys name. Miranda4peace Nov 2013 #7
K&R DeSwiss Nov 2013 #8
absolutely! state should have followed up hopemountain Nov 2013 #39
Universal Health Care; socialized medicine ends this shit forever. Half-Century Man Nov 2013 #9
Socialism has failed everywhere it has been tried. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #11
Ha! You almost got me. n/t bitchkitty Nov 2013 #35
this makes me think of the tv show Derek Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #10
There is something wrong with this story. happyslug Nov 2013 #12
Of course the legal obligation would fall on the janitor Fumesucker Nov 2013 #13
Yep, life in the new banana republic. truedelphi Nov 2013 #41
I will avoid merely expressing disgust at you calling him a criminal... Ash_F Nov 2013 #14
Agree with almost everything you say, but I think the state needs to send in truedelphi Nov 2013 #42
He said he made several 911 calls, but only after October 25, 2013 happyslug Nov 2013 #45
So, using your logic, if I see a child get hurt outside LeftofObama Nov 2013 #15
That is the law in most states, in fact you do not even have to call 911. happyslug Nov 2013 #46
great stuff to know! Thanks! BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2013 #54
you can tell us how long you think he should be in jail to make the world a better place CreekDog Nov 2013 #16
Actually no jail time for the Janitor, but someone should spend some time in jail happyslug Nov 2013 #50
More on the story, with differant source links, enjoy the read! Rebellious Republican Nov 2013 #17
State Inspectors were in the home on the 24th AND the 25th??? happyslug Nov 2013 #48
Well, the second half of your user name seems to be correct. ret5hd Nov 2013 #18
I shall keep your response in mind the next time I am in a good samaritian Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #19
From what has been reported, 911 was called multiple times. LisaL Nov 2013 #20
I didn't blame him, I just pointed what he did was a technical crime. happyslug Nov 2013 #49
... Javaman Nov 2013 #22
Your empathy meter is broken ConcernedCanuk Nov 2013 #23
he did GREAT!!! noiretextatique Nov 2013 #33
Message hidden by jury decision. L0oniX Nov 2013 #24
Send it to a jury. I predict it will be allowed to stand Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #25
Good Samaritan rules should apply here. colorado_ufo Nov 2013 #28
what you said .. . . . n/t annabanana Nov 2013 #44
no, the management and staff who left put them at risk noiretextatique Nov 2013 #32
By Federal Law that is what suppose to have been done happyslug Nov 2013 #57
This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read. Disgusting. pothos Nov 2013 #34
He called them four times. happyslug Nov 2013 #59
You're unbelievable. n/t bitchkitty Nov 2013 #36
I deal with nursing homes all the time. happyslug Nov 2013 #58
duh, something is wrong here, this whole facility was bad news and the state wasn't on top wordpix Nov 2013 #66
Illustrate the strength of your convictions and call the cops if you think he's a criminal... LanternWaste Nov 2013 #38
He falls into the category of a bystander who assists Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #47
That is NOT the Common Law Rule happyslug Nov 2013 #51
It's true that you do not have a duty to call Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #55
the employee had a duty to take care of these people until relieved of that duty passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #56
Under the common once he starts to help someone he can not stop. happyslug Nov 2013 #60
Please direct me to that law passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #63
First it is case law. the Wikipedia cite does a nice overview happyslug Nov 2013 #68
under voluntary assumption of duty to provide care: passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #69
Not my take in the rule happyslug Nov 2013 #70
Miguel Alvarez is a hero. polly7 Nov 2013 #21
He certainly is. Brigid Nov 2013 #30
I don't understand it either. polly7 Nov 2013 #31
Yes he is a hero. n/t truedelphi Nov 2013 #43
Do your part to help neffernin Nov 2013 #29
Sad Nick Junior Nov 2013 #37
Any licensed medical professional (CNA, RN, LVN, etc.) who walked out of that facility Mr.Bill Nov 2013 #52
My suspicions is they have NOT had a RN in months, if ever happyslug Nov 2013 #61
I think you are correct. Mr.Bill Nov 2013 #62
you may be right in your guesses BUT I just spoke to staff at a facility about this wordpix Nov 2013 #67
Speaking as someone with an elderly parent in a facility AnnieBW Nov 2013 #53
another thing the private sector does better than yurbud Nov 2013 #64
as the daughter of an advanced Alzheimer's patient, I'm aghast wordpix Nov 2013 #65
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