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happyslug

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57. By Federal Law that is what suppose to have been done
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 10:41 PM
Nov 2013

You must understand, long term nursing care is paid for by the Federal Government (with matching state funds) if the federal requirements are followed. Since the States want the Federal funds, every state follows federal law on this subject.

You can NOT move a person out of a Nursing home without that person's permission OR to another nursing home. That is a federal mandate. It appears in this case that the license was revoked by the state and then the state sent in inspectors on the last day of legal operation (24th of October) and the day after (the 25th of October). During either inspection did the inspector talk to the janitor.

911 admits they received four phone calls, but only send in someone on the 26th. I suspect what happen is the following:

1. License was revoked and the nursing home was told to move the patients elsewhere

2. The Nursing home told the families of the patients to move their relatives to another nursing home

3. Some families were able to find another nursing home or took in the patient themselves,.

4. Other families could not do either, so the patient stayed in the home.

5. This Janitor was hired the week of the 15th, after I suspect the previous janitor quit due to a failure to be paid. This Janitor was told he was to be paid on the 25th (Which was a friday).

6. The Nursing staff (mostly nurses aides but should include be a registered nurse on staff, but I suspect the license was revoked for their had no Registered Nurse on Staff and no Licensed Practical Nurse, LPN available 24 hours 7 days a week) quit when they were not paid on the 4th, 11th or 18th (The previous three fridays).

7. When the nursing staff left these two last hires remained for they did not know that they would not be paid.

8. I suspect some of the nursing staff stayed till Wednesday helping people pick up their relatives, but the number steadily fell till it was to much for even the remaining staff so they left. From the last day they were paid to Wednesday the Staff called the State Regulatory agency and asked what they should do. The State Agency refused to tell them what to do for the state did not want them to leave, but the state Agency also did not want to tell them to stay for that may make the state liable for the days they worked after they called the agency. Thus the staff was told nothing except to call their employer.

9. The State sent in an inspector on Thursday October 24th, 2013 and reported that there was no staff, just a cook and a janitor and the inspector could NOT locate the owner. This report was phoned in to the state inspectors supervisor. The State Agency Supervisor then called the number for the owner of the Nursing home and left a message on an answering machine to return her call. The Supervisor does nothing more for her training book clearly says the owner of the nursing home is the primary care provider and if there is any problems, call the owner and get the owner to fix the problem. Training may be FORBID any action by the state agency until they hear from the owner.

10. The State Agency local supervisor NOT getting a return sent in a second inspector who is told to get in touch with the person in control of the home. The problem is no one is in control and that is what the second inspector reports. The Supervision, going by what she was trained to do, again called the owner and left a message to call the Supervisor.

11. In the 24th the Janitor called 911 and was told to call her employer instead

12. On the 25th the Janitor called 911 a second time, again told to call his employer.

13. On the 25th the Janitor called again and this time told to call the State Agency (which I suspect he did but no one is admitting to it).

14. Late on the 25th the Janitor calls 911 and this time reports someone having severe medical problems, so 911 sends out EMT unit, who arrives and report back to headquarters that the place has no staff and all are in need of medical care.

15. The EMT term stables the situation (they have the training to do that). The EMT term reports that all of the patients are in need of medical care but are stable. 911 term then works out an emergency plan to put these patients into various other medical care facilities on Saturday October 26, 2013.

16. The janitor and the cook go home and the reporters have a hot item for their sunday papers.


I have to credit the janitor and the cook for staying so long, but I have to say this in his first 911 call he should have said all of the patients are in need of emergency care and force the hand of 911 to do something. I suspect to many people was passing the buck in this situation to every one else but themselves (including 911, but they should be rewarded for they did finally do something before someone died).

Talk about tearing your heart right out of your chest madokie Oct 2013 #1
This has nothing to do with RepubliCONs. truedelphi Nov 2013 #40
There are truly good people in the world dem in texas Oct 2013 #2
True... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #5
I hope he gets a hero's welcome and double pay or even triple pay plus a nice bonus. Auntie Bush Oct 2013 #3
This is what happens when you privatize Nursing Homes... ReRe Oct 2013 #4
Yes indeed -- and should be a warning to everyone Blue Owl Nov 2013 #27
Don't tell me we live in a functional society . . . Brigid Nov 2013 #6
I just want the tea partiers, immigrant haters, and xenophobes to take note of this guys name. Miranda4peace Nov 2013 #7
K&R DeSwiss Nov 2013 #8
absolutely! state should have followed up hopemountain Nov 2013 #39
Universal Health Care; socialized medicine ends this shit forever. Half-Century Man Nov 2013 #9
Socialism has failed everywhere it has been tried. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #11
Ha! You almost got me. n/t bitchkitty Nov 2013 #35
this makes me think of the tv show Derek Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #10
There is something wrong with this story. happyslug Nov 2013 #12
Of course the legal obligation would fall on the janitor Fumesucker Nov 2013 #13
Yep, life in the new banana republic. truedelphi Nov 2013 #41
I will avoid merely expressing disgust at you calling him a criminal... Ash_F Nov 2013 #14
Agree with almost everything you say, but I think the state needs to send in truedelphi Nov 2013 #42
He said he made several 911 calls, but only after October 25, 2013 happyslug Nov 2013 #45
So, using your logic, if I see a child get hurt outside LeftofObama Nov 2013 #15
That is the law in most states, in fact you do not even have to call 911. happyslug Nov 2013 #46
great stuff to know! Thanks! BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2013 #54
you can tell us how long you think he should be in jail to make the world a better place CreekDog Nov 2013 #16
Actually no jail time for the Janitor, but someone should spend some time in jail happyslug Nov 2013 #50
More on the story, with differant source links, enjoy the read! Rebellious Republican Nov 2013 #17
State Inspectors were in the home on the 24th AND the 25th??? happyslug Nov 2013 #48
Well, the second half of your user name seems to be correct. ret5hd Nov 2013 #18
I shall keep your response in mind the next time I am in a good samaritian Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #19
From what has been reported, 911 was called multiple times. LisaL Nov 2013 #20
I didn't blame him, I just pointed what he did was a technical crime. happyslug Nov 2013 #49
... Javaman Nov 2013 #22
Your empathy meter is broken ConcernedCanuk Nov 2013 #23
he did GREAT!!! noiretextatique Nov 2013 #33
Message hidden by jury decision. L0oniX Nov 2013 #24
Send it to a jury. I predict it will be allowed to stand Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #25
Good Samaritan rules should apply here. colorado_ufo Nov 2013 #28
what you said .. . . . n/t annabanana Nov 2013 #44
no, the management and staff who left put them at risk noiretextatique Nov 2013 #32
By Federal Law that is what suppose to have been done happyslug Nov 2013 #57
This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read. Disgusting. pothos Nov 2013 #34
He called them four times. happyslug Nov 2013 #59
You're unbelievable. n/t bitchkitty Nov 2013 #36
I deal with nursing homes all the time. happyslug Nov 2013 #58
duh, something is wrong here, this whole facility was bad news and the state wasn't on top wordpix Nov 2013 #66
Illustrate the strength of your convictions and call the cops if you think he's a criminal... LanternWaste Nov 2013 #38
He falls into the category of a bystander who assists Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #47
That is NOT the Common Law Rule happyslug Nov 2013 #51
It's true that you do not have a duty to call Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #55
the employee had a duty to take care of these people until relieved of that duty passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #56
Under the common once he starts to help someone he can not stop. happyslug Nov 2013 #60
Please direct me to that law passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #63
First it is case law. the Wikipedia cite does a nice overview happyslug Nov 2013 #68
under voluntary assumption of duty to provide care: passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #69
Not my take in the rule happyslug Nov 2013 #70
Miguel Alvarez is a hero. polly7 Nov 2013 #21
He certainly is. Brigid Nov 2013 #30
I don't understand it either. polly7 Nov 2013 #31
Yes he is a hero. n/t truedelphi Nov 2013 #43
Do your part to help neffernin Nov 2013 #29
Sad Nick Junior Nov 2013 #37
Any licensed medical professional (CNA, RN, LVN, etc.) who walked out of that facility Mr.Bill Nov 2013 #52
My suspicions is they have NOT had a RN in months, if ever happyslug Nov 2013 #61
I think you are correct. Mr.Bill Nov 2013 #62
you may be right in your guesses BUT I just spoke to staff at a facility about this wordpix Nov 2013 #67
Speaking as someone with an elderly parent in a facility AnnieBW Nov 2013 #53
another thing the private sector does better than yurbud Nov 2013 #64
as the daughter of an advanced Alzheimer's patient, I'm aghast wordpix Nov 2013 #65
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