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57. There Is A Limit, Sir, To What A Government In a Democracy Can Tolerate

Reply to Fantastic Anarchist (Reply #48)

Sat Jul 12, 2014, 03:06 PM

Jul 2014

If an Israeli government adopted a policy of not retaliating to provocations from Hamas, the response from Hamas would be simply to increase the number of provocations until that policy became insupportable in a democracy where people clamored for protection. The sum and substance of Hamas militant action is to provoke retaliation from Israel, which will in large part fall upon non-combatants, by the very nature of Hamas operations, the dense urban terrain, and the power of the weapons employed. The soundest line on which to press a case that Israel is following a poor course is simply to point out that Hamas has succeeded in forcing its will on its enemy, which is considered about the worst thing a combatant force can suffer strategically. It is a suicidal, self-destructive, and deliberately criminal will, since it envisions as its goal the killing of people it uses as human shields, but it is nonetheless the will of Hamas, and they are calling the tune the IDF is dancing to....

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Fuck this bullshit! peoli Jul 2014 #1

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Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #2

Just the usual from Hamas... Archae Jul 2014 #3

+1000. nt. IronGate Jul 2014 #5

So, should the Palestinians remain completely defenseless against the terror and occupation they kelliekat44 Jul 2014 #11

Those rockets are not "defense" weapons in the least. Archae Jul 2014 #16

Just to clarify are those rockets you are talking about Israeli or Palestine rockets? awake Jul 2014 #19

And blowing up a home for the disabled isn't "defense" either Scootaloo Jul 2014 #20

What if Hamas is using the building to launch those rockets? Archae Jul 2014 #22

Then that building is still full of innocent people and you do not fucking bomb it Scootaloo Jul 2014 #26

It Is, Sir, A Grave Breach Of the Laws Of War The Magistrate Jul 2014 #29

Then bring evidence of that crime to the Hague Scootaloo Jul 2014 #31

That, Sir, Is An Extremely Silly Response The Magistrate Jul 2014 #34

And it seems to me that this can readily become an excuse for such acts Scootaloo Jul 2014 #44

I Have No Idea What The Reason For The Targetting Was, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #54

Then what was the point of your prior posts? Scootaloo Jul 2014 #60

You Replied To Someone's Question, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #66

I can't be neutral, sir. Scootaloo Jul 2014 #72

Neutrality In Application Of a Legal Standard, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #75

I said good day, sir Scootaloo Jul 2014 #78

Here Is a Much Better Song, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #80

Epic takedown. Thanks for the tune. nilesobek Jul 2014 #84

Gracias.nt bravenak Jul 2014 #86

Very well said. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2014 #93

Thank you. +1000. polly7 Jul 2014 #100

Magistrate, please help me reason this out by your way of defining this. freshwest Jul 2014 #65

That is Exactly What It Is, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #68

. bunnies Jul 2014 #82

Do you really believe the Israeli side is generally in the right? Threedifferentones Jul 2014 #91

2 wrongs do not make a right but 2 Wrights did make a airplane awake Jul 2014 #101

Just because they are not following the laws of war, doesn't mean Israel can say "fuck it." Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2014 #92

You Are Quite Right, Sir, It Does Not The Magistrate Jul 2014 #96

They're emotional bombs? n/t Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2014 #46

Apparently my ancestors were also wrong to fight back when people stole their land. JoeyT Jul 2014 #56

So, we have two sets of armed people terrorizing one another. Threedifferentones Jul 2014 #90

Surely, Ma'am, You Do Not Think The Acts Of Hamas Constitute Defense Of The Arab Palestinian People The Magistrate Jul 2014 #17

If the shoe was on the other foot what would you do? awake Jul 2014 #25

Beside The Point Addressed, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #28

Just because you do not think that the tactic of defending ones state works or makes sense awake Jul 2014 #33

Whether A Tactic Works Or Not, Sir, Is Subject To Test By Objective Stanbdards The Magistrate Jul 2014 #36

You still have not answered the question awake Jul 2014 #39

I Would Not Do What Is Being Done Now, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #41

If you were part of the Israel elected government what would you do? awake Jul 2014 #43

Again, Sir, I Would Not Do What They Are Presently Doing The Magistrate Jul 2014 #53

Israel's government and Hamas have a toxic symbiosis that afflicts only geek tragedy Jul 2014 #45

I Agree, Sir, They Prop One Another Up, The Hard Men On Both Sides The Magistrate Jul 2014 #49

Sadly I think you may be right awake Jul 2014 #50

Then why does Israel take the bait? Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2014 #48

There Is A Limit, Sir, To What A Government In a Democracy Can Tolerate The Magistrate Jul 2014 #57

Well. I can tolerate no more blind support for a country murdering innocents, ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2014 #94

You Are Not A Government, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #98

They take the bait Caretha Jul 2014 #102

+100 840high Jul 2014 #13

'being removed from the face of the Earth' is a Right Wing Propagandist talking point you troll. peoli Jul 2014 #4

No, it's not, IronGate Jul 2014 #6

Sorry, I can smell your right wing stench from here. peoli Jul 2014 #10

He is a troll, no doubt. MIRT alert. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #7

Notice the italics in the headline, as if to sow doubt that this was a charity...the propaganda..... Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #8

You mean like the "Baby Milk" factory that had that pristine sign in front of the building, in Iraq? Archae Jul 2014 #18

How many have died from the rockets? n2doc Jul 2014 #9

There's been at least one elderly man killed by a rocket Scootaloo Jul 2014 #21

I agree, n2doc, the Netanyahu Government deliberately plays into the hands of Hamas because Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #24

I think Israels Iron defense system has prevented 300? missiles from killing perhaps thousands? Sunlei Jul 2014 #38

But they haven't, and never will, 'kill thousands first" n2doc Jul 2014 #69

Even if you do think Israel is in the right. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2014 #12

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+1, but with argument... Scootaloo Jul 2014 #23

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You want me to link to stuff that happened before the internet entered the scene? Scootaloo Jul 2014 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author cerveza_gratis Jul 2014 #61

'73 was before my time, so I have a question. Scootaloo Jul 2014 #63

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who sells those missiles to Hamas? out those people/ that country in the media!! Sunlei Jul 2014 #32

Who sells bombs to Israeli? Maybe we should help Palestine have a "Iron defense system" awake Jul 2014 #37

Hamas has nothing to do with Palestine or their people. Its a war crime to launch missiles Sunlei Jul 2014 #42

Since 2007, Hamas has governed the Gaza Strip, after it won a majority of seats in the Palestinian awake Jul 2014 #47

well then tell Hamas to stop launching missiles from under homes and hospitals of their 'citizens' Sunlei Jul 2014 #52

You mean like the nukes that Israel has awake Jul 2014 #55

I hope there is peace someday but there are always gun salesmen who sell to anyone /w $ Sunlei Jul 2014 #58

Why do you feel that the Palestine people need to leave their land? awake Jul 2014 #59

they do not need to leave, they need more land, expand their 'countries' size. Sunlei Jul 2014 #64

That's always been the heart of the problem. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #70

not even a swap, Israel can make do with their land mass. The Gaza strip is to small, if only Sunlei Jul 2014 #73

Would you be willing to leave your home with out a fight because someone else wanted to take it? awake Jul 2014 #76

absolutely! wildbilln864 Jul 2014 #40

someone knows who pays for the systems, they are not cheap! Sunlei Jul 2014 #51

"...insisting Israel must act first." Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #35

Amazing statistics out of Gaza! Shoonra Jul 2014 #62

By your logic all Israelites are fair game because they all have to serving in the Israeli army awake Jul 2014 #71

Even their Religion is full of violence without end... Amonester Jul 2014 #87

You know, usually edges are not that protective. /nt Ash_F Jul 2014 #74

What?? Skidmore Jul 2014 #77

Edge is another name for blade. /nt Ash_F Jul 2014 #79

a quadriplegic and one with cerebral palsy OMG riverwalker Jul 2014 #81

Unfortunately war crimes are only prosecuted by the victors. Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #85

So instead of spending money on rockets to use to harass Israelis, why don't the Palestinians JDPriestly Jul 2014 #83

Israel should return their stolen lands, properties, and fresh water sources Amonester Jul 2014 #88

Without peace there can be no justice enjoyed by either side. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #89

You do realize that Israel controls all gaza banking? ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2014 #95

+1000. nt. polly7 Jul 2014 #103

Impeach Netanyyahu! S.A.M Jul 2014 #97

Canadian-prime-minister-harper-praised-for-statement-in-support-of-israels-gaza-campaign!!! thecytron Jul 2014 #99