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Jack Rabbit

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11. Thank you
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 10:04 PM
Jan 2015

Mr. Kyle has now joined Navy in paragraph 7.

You might want to go back re-read the entire post. I was trained to that "following orders" is not a defense and that a soldier has an obligation disobey orders that are direct him to commit war crimes. I simply didn't think it was very good training that would prepare a soldier for a real situation. The reality is that the soldier would be given the order by his superior and he will be given more than a little flack if he doesn't carry them out, regardless of their legality. And, of course, the soldiers who are given the orders will be informed that it's an illegal order, I'm sure.

What would you have done if you were ordered to water board a "terrrorist" detainee? Those who were ordered to do so were told that that water boarding isn't torture and that White House attorneys like Alberto Gonzales, John Yoo and Jay Bybee said so.

I'm not interested in prosecuting the actual torturers. I want the bastards who ordered to them to do it; I want Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest who concocted the who plan; and I want the shysters who vetted the methods used under the label "enhanced interrogation techniques." If the Cheney or Rumsfeld would have asked, they would have vetted the rack or the iron maiden.

During the Vietnam War, Hathcock had 93 confirmed kills of North Vietnamese Army (NVA) and Viet-Cong braddy Jan 2015 #1
Teenage American draftees collected human ears in Vietnam . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #2
Vietnam was mostly fought by volunteers though, it was WWII that was a draftee military. braddy Jan 2015 #3
No it wasn't RoccoR5955 Jan 2015 #4
I didn't say there wasn't a draft, I said that Vietnam was mostly a volunteer's war, unlike WWII. braddy Jan 2015 #8
I don't know a soul who volunteered for the Vietnam War . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #5
During the Vietnam war only about 30% of those killed in Vietnam were draftees, Army and Marine. braddy Jan 2015 #9
The VFW magazine . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #10
Yes, an excellent source for the facts on veterans and their military service. braddy Jan 2015 #12
Although I haven't seen one in years . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #14
my stepdad volunteered and did three tours in Vietnam! wildbilln864 Jan 2015 #15
I have a different point of view Jack Rabbit Jan 2015 #6
Chris Kyle was a Navy SEAL, not Army, and you were trained to only follow "lawful" orders when you braddy Jan 2015 #7
Thank you Jack Rabbit Jan 2015 #11
I always considered the empasis on training soldiers in the difference between "lawful" orders braddy Jan 2015 #13
Water boarding? Jack Rabbit Jan 2015 #16
Water boarding of American GIs was common back then, I assume they still do it. braddy Jan 2015 #17
The closest thing I had to what you are describing was Field Training Exercises (FTX) Jack Rabbit Jan 2015 #18
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