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hay rick

(7,587 posts)
19. Florida coddles its vigilantes.
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 09:12 PM
Dec 2018

Last edited Sat Dec 22, 2018, 11:47 PM - Edit history (1)

Florida has been a willing testing ground for the NRA's most permissive gun laws. The Florida version of stand your ground gained national notoriety with the Trevon Martin killing. This incident would seem to extend protection of shooters to shop owners defending their merchandise, not their lives.

Florida's stand your ground law states that "A person is justified in using or threatening to use deadly force...to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm...or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony." One would suppose, as did Mr. Smart, that imminent means "about to happen" and the right is only to prevent a crime. Read on.

Florida statute 776.08 provides a list giving examples of crimes that are considered "forcible felonies." That list includes robbery.

Robbery is defined in statute 812.13...

(1)"Robbery" means the taking of money or other property...when in the course of taking there is the use of force, violence, assault, or putting in fear.

and further down this is added...
(3)(a) An act shall be deemed "in the course of committing the robbery" if it occurs in an attempt to commit robbery or in flight after the attempt or commission."

I noted in my description of the coverage of the event that the shooter's supposition that the robber might have had a gun did not show up in the original story. The "death threat" in the store shows up even later. This could be attributable to later reporting being more complete. It also could be the result of the calculation that certain additions to the story would provide legal protection to the shooter.

Florida law offers extraordinary opportunities for abuse by "make my day" shooters.

An easy peasy way to not get shot: Jake Stern Dec 2018 #1
It's not a robbery, mate ... it's shoplifting ... mr_lebowski Dec 2018 #3
He allegedly threatened the woman who showed him the jewelry. LisaL Dec 2018 #5
Allegedly ... and it sounds that was a 'later embellishment' and not part of mr_lebowski Dec 2018 #6
Not sure what you are claiming here. LisaL Dec 2018 #7
See the last paragraph of the OP ... sounds like the 'story has changed' mr_lebowski Dec 2018 #8
And...he shot into traffic. Chin music May 2019 #20
Time Machine Roy Rolling Dec 2018 #4
really? is that all it takes? Wow. I'll pass that around. JCanete Dec 2018 #10
+1 Chin music May 2019 #21
Agreed, but that doesn't help us here... TrollBuster9090 Dec 2018 #12
Thing about this that struck me ---- there's a string of cars going by in the background. 3Hotdogs Dec 2018 #2
In which case both thieves would have been charged with murder. RVN VET71 Dec 2018 #9
My thought exactly. Chin music May 2019 #22
I don't know the law there, but it's hard for me to feel sympathy for thieves. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #11
Honey, I understand where you are coming from, but do you really want to give the police Nitram Dec 2018 #16
Two Words: Michael Slager. TrollBuster9090 Dec 2018 #13
I'm having trouble watching the video and thinking "retired cop" FBaggins Dec 2018 #18
Remember him planting a weapon by the victim? Chin music May 2019 #23
Thieves piss me off!!!! rownesheck Dec 2018 #14
If you can attach a device that will injure the thief, it would be cheaper, easier, and safer to Nitram Dec 2018 #17
Stealing is as bad as murder? Chin music May 2019 #24
None of this justified that shooting. They were escaping and none of them had or showed a ... marble falls Dec 2018 #15
Florida coddles its vigilantes. hay rick Dec 2018 #19
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