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socialist_n_TN

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41. That's not really a dumb question, but it IS a very complex question...
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 10:47 AM
Jul 2014

I always HATE to try and boil down a concept like "socialism" in an internet post because something is guaranteed to be wrong with it.

My definition of socialism is a works council type of bottom-up democracy where decisions are made by the people DIRECTLY if at all possible and by representatives of the people where necessary. When representatives are necessary, they are paid only the average of the income of the people they represent and are immediately recallable if they DON'T vote the way a majority of their constituencies want them to. The workers directly control the places they work in all areas. In areas of general welfare, the workers work WITH representatives of the people in order to get the necessities made and delivered to the people. The main focus is not who makes the money, but getting the necessities out to the people in the most efficient way possible. Resources are allocate to that end.

As others have stated, it's a flexible concept. The best thing to do would probably to research different types of socialism and find what they have to say about their politics. In an earlier post, you mentioned Kshama Sawant in Seattle. She belongs to a ostensibly Trotskyist group called Socialist Alternative which is affiliated with an international organization called the Committee for a Worker's International or CWI. See what you think about their politics then check out some alternatives to SAlt. The group I belong to is called Worker's Power (or WP-US) and we're affiliated internationally with the League for a Fifth International and we're a little to the left of SAlt. There are also the old line Communist Parties all over, including some members represented on here. And of course as others have mentioned, there are even some Democratic Socialist parties. Do a little study of these groups and figure out what suits your politics best (if any) and then join.

I think at this point, it's about getting organized SOMEWHERE and SOMEHOW more than it is about what particular group you organize with.

Dumb question: what's a Socialist? [View all] MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 OP
Black guy from Kenya? Scuba Jul 2014 #1
One who believes society is the greatest good. nt Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #2
But... wouldn't a Capitalist say that Capitalism is about the greatest good for Society? MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #3
Capitalism is the philosophy that asserts: Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #5
I had no idea that Keynes was a fan of Voltaire. redruddyred Oct 2014 #60
And evidently, you are a fan of sarcasm. nt Xipe Totec Oct 2014 #62
no for reals. redruddyred Oct 2014 #63
You have me at a disadvantege, then. Please explain the Voltaire connection Xipe Totec Oct 2014 #64
"the best of all possible worlds" redruddyred Oct 2014 #65
Socialism has the focus on the General Welfare. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #27
It's whatever Rush Limbaugh doesn't like. Jackpine Radical Jul 2014 #4
Then I am a PROUD Socialist, damn, you bet! MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #11
Well, the term "oxy-moron" Jackpine Radical Jul 2014 #13
This is hidey-hole? Enthusiast Jul 2014 #28
I'm more of an anarchist as well - TBF Jul 2014 #19
I love how morons on the right conflate socialists with Nazis redruddyred Oct 2014 #61
Rather than "socialist person" or "socialist country", I think "socialist program". delrem Jul 2014 #6
I like the concept MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #8
Something like that. delrem Jul 2014 #10
OK, EarlG debunks your "right-wing is very strong" TBF Jul 2014 #57
I don't know if this will answer all of your questions, TexasTowelie Jul 2014 #7
LOL, this is the First-Way persona MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #9
Read the Communist Manifesto BainsBane Jul 2014 #12
I'll give it a whirl. MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #14
Here is the link - TBF Jul 2014 #18
Thanks, much appreciated! MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #20
That doesn't seem to reflect the contemporary understanding of the term. Jim Lane Jul 2014 #33
What part of "workers owning the means of production" TBF Jul 2014 #34
What part of "the contemporary understanding of the term" do you not understand? Jim Lane Jul 2014 #36
Your "contemporary understanding" of the term TBF Jul 2014 #37
OK, now you've completely lost me. Jim Lane Jul 2014 #39
You took my very basic definitions TBF Jul 2014 #43
More on the Commune - TBF Jul 2014 #54
wrong about rogerashton Jul 2014 #59
It's groundwork Scootaloo Jul 2014 #51
Sigh. nt TBF Jul 2014 #56
IMO the total elimination of capitalism is neither possible, nor a goal worth pursuing. nt delrem Jul 2014 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author TexasTowelie Jul 2014 #16
This was posted on DU before, but it contains some aspects of both socialism and communism in it. TexasTowelie Jul 2014 #17
You know the old saying: PETRUS Jul 2014 #21
Wiki did your hard work. easychoice Jul 2014 #22
I did read that before I posted MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #23
That graf looks good to me. Jim Lane Jul 2014 #38
All that means AFAIC, is that..... socialist_n_TN Jul 2014 #40
perhaps easier to say what it's not? And that is what we are living through/in. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2014 #24
Anyone barely left center-right now villager Jul 2014 #25
I have sorted it out. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #26
Not exactly - TBF Jul 2014 #31
Many of us would be satisfied with some reasonable oversight and regulation. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #42
I know what you're saying - TBF Jul 2014 #44
That's easy, a socialist is ... Kablooie Jul 2014 #29
Authorities rogerashton Jul 2014 #30
I always like your posts. ctsnowman Jul 2014 #32
Awww... Shucks... MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #46
Since this thread has made it to the greatest page TBF Jul 2014 #35
Sorry for the trouble! nt MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #47
No worries - TBF Jul 2014 #48
That's not really a dumb question, but it IS a very complex question... socialist_n_TN Jul 2014 #41
Not a dumb question. Starry Messenger Jul 2014 #45
I reduce it to "one who wants to eliminate private property." joshcryer Jul 2014 #49
As long as you explain the difference between private and personal TBF Jul 2014 #55
I don't initially. joshcryer Jul 2014 #58
Im a member of Socialist Alternative octoberlib Jul 2014 #50
The best understanding of Socialism comes from reading Marx and Engels. Oakenshield Jul 2014 #52
... TBF Jul 2014 #53
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