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BadgerMom

(2,770 posts)
56. I have been a substitute. I have taught in my own classroom for many years.
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 03:26 PM
Feb 2022

There is no comparison, in my experience. I realize my experience is now a couple of decades old, decades that saw conditions for education professionals deteriorate, but classroom teachers have a number of things on their side that subs do not. First, the administration is more invested in them in that they have been through more rigorous interviews and credentialing. They have more faculty support because they are part of the faculty and they all deal with the same community, administration, parents and students. Full time classroom teachers also benefit from the goodwill of the students, current and former. A well thought of teacher with years of experience who has parents and younger siblings clamoring to be assigned to that instructor’s class has far fewer issues. When you have a class for a full year, you have rules in place that in the best circumstances are decided upon in the first few days of classes by the teacher and students. They have buy-in. The bullies don’t get as far when the entire group of people in that room have made the rules the troublemakers are breaking. All of that is to say I have immense respect for substitutes. They are so very necessary to the full time teacher. Many times a full time teacher will request a particular sub with whom they try to work so each knows the other’s ways and the makeup of various classes. The sub knows the class rules which are best posted somewhere.

These are all ideal circumstances though. As a sub, I was terrified every time I stepped into a classroom with which I was unfamiliar. The phone rang early. The job was described. It could be AP physics in a stable school or a special ed class with an uber-competent aide and few students. It could be a pe, choir, drama, band or shop class, subjects in which I have little to no knowledge. It could be a class in which the full time teacher had little control him- or herself and which became chaotic regularly even with the regular instructor. The kids could be terrific or ready to target the sub.

Substitute teachers get paid less than teachers, already not a well-paid group. Yet they face immense challenges and receive little respect, sometimes not even from the full time staff. They deserve SO much better.

what a terrible and sad story,,,, KarenS Feb 2022 #1
You know what made it worse? no_hypocrisy Feb 2022 #2
Jesus, that's pretty young to be that evil... dixiechiken1 Feb 2022 #3
Kids don't get that way in a vacuum. TygrBright Feb 2022 #61
I agree w/ post 3 FoxNewsSucks Feb 2022 #4
Well, apparently a "kid that age" could come up w something like that. Texin Feb 2022 #15
Lousy parents. That's what kind. FoxNewsSucks Feb 2022 #58
I agree I_UndergroundPanther Feb 2022 #82
I was not a teacher, but I worked in many schools for 20 years in a different capacity. Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #5
I'm so sorry that you went through that. no_hypocrisy Feb 2022 #6
You and I dodged a bullet. But I feel for you. It makes you loath the thing you used to love. Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #7
Exactly Rebl2 Feb 2022 #19
HEAR HEAR! OldBaldy1701E Feb 2022 #39
Yep. This happened to me as well. Operaweeble Feb 2022 #44
If isn't being done. The school and teachers assn need to educate teachers how to protect themselves LiberalFighter Feb 2022 #60
The school and teacher's assn need to back teachers and staff once in a while when Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #63
Agreed. It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to recognize false reporting. LiberalFighter Feb 2022 #70
Maybe we need to take unmanageable kids wnylib Feb 2022 #84
Lowest common denominator. That's what drags us all down. I am sorry to hear, but glad you got out. Evolve Dammit Feb 2022 #79
There needs to be a way to "fire" parents -- or at least tell them to find a private school. eppur_se_muova Feb 2022 #91
These stories make my blood run cold. NellieStarbuck Feb 2022 #8
From teachers' Mom arlyellowdog Feb 2022 #41
Jesus... GB_RN Feb 2022 #9
Camera in classrooms and parents in court. Maybe that will stop these incidents? nt Samrob Feb 2022 #10
I teach, and cameras in classrooms snpsmom Feb 2022 #32
You are right. Wasn't thinking clearly. I'll settle for parents in court. nt Samrob Feb 2022 #78
Or maybe make it worse. Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #34
exactly n/t snpsmom Feb 2022 #36
or the gossip potential: Rabrrrrrr Feb 2022 #87
Or what snpsmom pointed out upthread: for some kids being abused at home, school Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #89
Repubs want cameras in classrooms but not to protect teachers. keithbvadu2 Feb 2022 #77
Back when I was in grade school ('57-'65) KS Toronado Feb 2022 #11
I was just behind you -- 59-66 -- K through 6. rsdsharp Feb 2022 #66
I think that the parents were planning to sue the school, and you, you were just Dan Feb 2022 #12
I agree with you. no_hypocrisy Feb 2022 #13
I definitely suspect some coaching took place here. ShazzieB Feb 2022 #14
Far too many conservative parents are teaching their children that they are privileged. Lonestarblue Feb 2022 #16
Liberal parents also, sad to say arlyellowdog Feb 2022 #31
Yes.I believe so. n/t whathehell Feb 2022 #72
for four years barbtries Feb 2022 #54
I'd bet dollars to donuts the parents are trumpers. paleotn Feb 2022 #17
I see this as one of the most heinous offenses. JohnnyRingo Feb 2022 #18
If not a bodycam, a phone in your pocket to record such behavior TNNurse Feb 2022 #20
1. I had no idea that the kid was going to make this accusation while I was there. no_hypocrisy Feb 2022 #22
I was thinking of going forward by learning from your experience. TNNurse Feb 2022 #25
Nurses have had it so tough with Covid patients and their families: bad behavior as with 6 year olds JudyM Feb 2022 #47
This is what teaching has come to. Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #35
Make certain that recording is legal dickthegrouch Feb 2022 #65
So sorry you had to deal with this. May I suggest you hold on any final decision. Discuss this c-rational Feb 2022 #21
I feel your pain. TexLaProgressive Feb 2022 #23
It's sad that it will take 2 or more adults in the room at school SouthernDem4ever Feb 2022 #24
As a corollary, you know what scared me the most? no_hypocrisy Feb 2022 #26
Exactly. I am a proponent of classroom cameras or 2 adults SouthernDem4ever Feb 2022 #28
I'm a substitute teacher also had a problem boy who said I hit him kimbutgar Feb 2022 #27
The State cleared me. no_hypocrisy Feb 2022 #29
And to think that the regular teacher puts up with that behavior PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2022 #30
I have been a substitute. I have taught in my own classroom for many years. BadgerMom Feb 2022 #56
I, too, have been both a full-time teacher and a sub. maddiemom Feb 2022 #76
It's really really really really rough this year arlyellowdog Feb 2022 #33
sue the parents. jg10003 Feb 2022 #37
That was my thought XanaDUer2 Feb 2022 #38
OMG - what a horrible story. No wonder there's a shortage of teachers. Vinca Feb 2022 #40
Feeling for you, we adopted 3 from the foster system and while the oldest is the worst, LT Barclay Feb 2022 #42
The school knows these are problem children MacKasey Feb 2022 #43
Some Psychiatrists say you can see a child's future by the time they're five yrs old.. This kid is TeamProg Feb 2022 #45
or it might earn him a spot in the repuglican party SouthernDem4ever Feb 2022 #67
Probably some really bad parenting in that household. llmart Feb 2022 #46
First issue is why the coat closet can be 'locked' from the inside. Second, it can happen anywhere. TheBlackAdder Feb 2022 #48
The closet doors weren't locked literally. no_hypocrisy Feb 2022 #49
My god! How on earth have we gotten to this Quakerfriend Feb 2022 #50
I'm so sorry this happened to you. The child's parents should be held AnotherMother4Peace Feb 2022 #51
it's terrible. barbtries Feb 2022 #52
I had a similar experience teaching Middle School. I was called into the principal's office to face Martin68 Feb 2022 #53
My deepest sympathies perdita9 Feb 2022 #55
Kids like this, after an investigation that incriminates them, should have to be accompanied by a Karadeniz Feb 2022 #57
Wow, I am am sorry! Lunabell Feb 2022 #59
It's a shame w/ these out of control students (and parents)...granted, not all of them are SWBTATTReg Feb 2022 #62
I was relentlessly bullied I_UndergroundPanther Feb 2022 #83
A have a friend, a 55 year old lady school teacher, who went to jail... Steven Maurer Feb 2022 #64
So sorry. What a nightmare. Joinfortmill Feb 2022 #68
All teachers must wear body cameras when teaching. LogicFirst Feb 2022 #69
I subbed 300 days in 2 years since I had to eat and pay rent. BigmanPigman Feb 2022 #71
I subbed after retiring from teaching. The first few years were good. lkinwi Feb 2022 #73
I'm sorry that happened. I hope you find a job you're happy in. Nt raccoon Feb 2022 #74
The worst part is those kids shouldn't be in the class to start with questionseverything Feb 2022 #75
Yes indeed. I had such a class and it worked. Evolve Dammit Feb 2022 #80
any way you can dig? Skittles Feb 2022 #81
These monsters should be removed from the school and placed in some program that can handle them n/m BradAllison Feb 2022 #85
The answer is bring the parents in and give them two options. 1/ The kid is thrown out of Doodley Feb 2022 #86
I was slammed up against a locker in the 8th grade, but kind of had it coming to brewens Feb 2022 #88
Recapitulation: It was a *six year old* boy who reported me. no_hypocrisy Feb 2022 #90
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