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cprise

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39. So one needs to be a misanthrope to hold nuclear energy dear
Sat Dec 21, 2013, 07:14 AM
Dec 2013

Think of all the investment in terms of time and resources in expanding the nuclear fleet many times over during the coming decades. In the middle of that expansion with, say, 10x the nuclear generation we have now, a major accident occurs causing the evacuation of a large population center.

What happens next??

The nuclear establishment would have to have some way of controlling people's impressions and reactions, otherwise people might try to force nuclear generators offline. They would need to already have a full-blown police state in place to have any chance of preventing the grid from buckling.

If you think that sounds odd, consider these developments from the top nuclear-loving countries:

* Japan enacts a state secrets bill to protect the revival of nuclear energy-- harsh punishment for leakers/whistleblowers.

* France is revealed to spy on its citizens to an extent that surpasses the NSA+DEA.

* Russia and China became nuclear's two actual cases of contemporary expansion, but seem like they would be unlikely examples of a nuclear civil society. (Perhaps some of you could elaborate on the nature of public inquiry and accountability in these countries.)

* We have the USA's own nascent police state: Widespread militarization of the police, mass surveillance, and a hardly professional lust for maximum punishment in the criminal justice system (mass incarceration). Part of that expansion was built on official banter about "dirty bombs". Even before 9-11, people in positions of power have been firmly reminded of their roles as protectors of extremely dangerous concentrations of physical power; its a major source of self-importance in the establishment mind that engenders no positive characteristics in governance.

Here is a slice of true nuclear paranoia-- probably San Onofre's last 'gift' to civil society.

I think these trends are shaping up into a lesson on the intersection of human nature and nuclear technology. Perhaps people sense when a thing brings out the worst in them, and set their minds to distancing themselves from it.

One more nuclear energy mishap and you can write nuclear energy off as history madokie Dec 2013 #1
Here is an interactive map showing population around nuclear plants kristopher Dec 2013 #3
Population INCREASES near nuclear power plants. PamW Dec 2013 #4
So we have your vote kristopher Dec 2013 #6
kristopher's DESPERATION! PamW Dec 2013 #8
OK kristopher Dec 2013 #10
Pretty PUNY mushroom cloud. PamW Dec 2013 #14
Why do people move there? For jobs! Starboard Tack Dec 2013 #42
I just looked randomly at three madokie Dec 2013 #7
100% WRONG!! AGAIN!! PamW Dec 2013 #2
If you don't calm down you're going to have a heart attack madokie Dec 2013 #5
I'm NOT upset!! PamW Dec 2013 #9
You coulda' fooled me madokie Dec 2013 #13
NOT at ALL!!! PamW Dec 2013 #18
You think you could get by with talking to me like this in person madokie Dec 2013 #21
Why is it any way inappropriate? PamW Dec 2013 #26
BALONEY!!! PamW Dec 2013 #11
I don't give a damn if you're Jesus Christ or Gawd himself madokie Dec 2013 #15
Why would there be anything wrong with it??? PamW Dec 2013 #19
You just don't get it do you? madokie Dec 2013 #23
PamGreg isn't upset kristopher Dec 2013 #12
I wonder the same think madokie Dec 2013 #16
kristopher's retreat... PamW Dec 2013 #22
I don't feel sure I understand the question phantom power Dec 2013 #17
I was wondering the same thing NickB79 Dec 2013 #20
You have your 'clarification' kristopher Dec 2013 #25
One could say... PamW Dec 2013 #27
You're making a personal attack to avoid an uncomfortable question kristopher Dec 2013 #28
They may have been the most gungho... PamW Dec 2013 #31
Anyone familiar with near misses like Davis Besse knows that we've just been lucky. kristopher Dec 2013 #32
100% WRONG!! AGAIN!! PamW Dec 2013 #35
Right.That football sized hole in Davis Besse's reactor head is something the Japanese did. kristopher Dec 2013 #37
How does that relate.....?????? PamW Dec 2013 #38
You didn't, in fact, offer any clarification NickB79 Dec 2013 #33
What would happen to our investment and our plan to move away from carbon? kristopher Dec 2013 #24
OK, I think I see... phantom power Dec 2013 #30
Seriously? You are disputing the fact that prevailing winds saved Tokyo? kristopher Dec 2013 #34
Mathematical ILLITERACY at play PamW Dec 2013 #36
More like either illiteracy or deliberate misdirection on your part kristopher Dec 2013 #40
You don't understand sample sizes??? PamW Dec 2013 #43
That isn't relevant at all to your attempt at data trimming ... kristopher Dec 2013 #44
'Shoot the messenger' is THE go to strategy the nuclear industry uses against any and all critics. kristopher Dec 2013 #47
The consequences are clear enough. 2013 is going to be the worst year for accumulation of... NNadir Dec 2013 #29
So one needs to be a misanthrope to hold nuclear energy dear cprise Dec 2013 #39
Um...um...um... NNadir Dec 2013 #41
Why on earth would a smart guy like you have expected "this time" to be different? GliderGuider Dec 2013 #45
Go on NNadir, listen to GG... Join the dark side. n/t cprise Dec 2013 #46
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