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Nihil

(13,508 posts)
21. "What a silly argument." Good comment but misplaced.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:08 AM
Feb 2016

It actually applies to your previous sentence:
> The world economy and society would utterly collapse without airplanes.

Neither the "world economy" nor "society" depend on airplanes.

Planes make some aspects more convenient (for sure) but "depend"? Not so much.

Here in England, we have had two absolutely delightful "collapses" since 2000
as a result of a) the terrorist inspired US flight shutdown in September 2001
and b) the Eyjafjallajökull inspired European flight shutdown in April 2010.

Both caused inconvenience to a small (globally microscopic) subset of the world's population
(mostly through people being stranded and unable to fly *back* to their homes).

Both caused clear & quiet skies of a nature that had simply been unimaginable by many
people prior to the events.

Neither caused the world economy to crash.

Neither caused global society to collapse.

In fact, I'd love a similar "collapse" like that every year.



If you want to introduce it in a gentle way rather than the big bang shutdowns
of the above, simply tax the ******* fuel for planes at the same rate as the
European governments do for car fuel and ramp up the tax annually until the
aircraft industry goes the way of the buggy-whip makers.

That will make for a "soft landing" that should assure even you of the fact that
air travel is, has been, and will always be a luxury, not a necessity (and certainly
not something that is critical to holding up the world economy or society).

I had to decline yet another offer to fly, yesterday. Gregorian Feb 2016 #1
I lost my bike riding friend over my insistance Duppers Feb 2016 #6
two questions lapfog_1 Feb 2016 #2
I imagine it's calculated by plane capacity. Duppers Feb 2016 #4
that assumes lapfog_1 Feb 2016 #10
It was the only guesstimate Duppers Feb 2016 #19
First determine how much fuel a jet uses.... happyslug Feb 2016 #11
Great article. nt Duppers Feb 2016 #3
Unrealistic. The world economy and society would utterly collapse without airplanes. longship Feb 2016 #5
That's right: the economy is based on unreasonable constraints. Gregorian Feb 2016 #7
That isn't a solution though The2ndWheel Feb 2016 #17
Our global economy is built on unrealistic beliefs, such as infinite growth on finite resources NickB79 Feb 2016 #18
"What a silly argument." Good comment but misplaced. Nihil Feb 2016 #21
Well, you have a good argument. longship Feb 2016 #22
And to you too! Nihil Feb 2016 #23
A heartfelt K&R pscot Feb 2016 #8
This article was very real sue4e3 Feb 2016 #9
This solution addresses the author's cognitive dissonance GliderGuider Feb 2016 #12
And for that you deserve praise above all else. Duppers Feb 2016 #20
I loathe automobiles and airplanes, not only do they use fossil fuels... hunter Feb 2016 #13
Is this a fair metric? LouisvilleDem Feb 2016 #14
Same thing with buses vs cars, but nobody is giving up their cars there either The2ndWheel Feb 2016 #15
America's emissions come from cars, typically doing commutes past 2 miles MisterP Feb 2016 #16
A good (not great) Carbon Footprint calculator... NeoGreen Feb 2016 #24
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