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proverbialwisdom

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34. The saga of 'Scientist' vs Scientist with and without the benefit of the internet. Oh, snap.
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:44 PM
Oct 2012
http://www.gmwatch.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=14296:pusztai-hitman-oversaw-efsas-demolition-of-seralini

Pusztai nemesis oversaw EFSA's demolition of Seralini
Wednesday, 10 October 2012 11:50



France's former Environment Minister, Corinne Lepage MEP, is among those who have flagged up serious concerns about the European Food Safety Authority's rejection of Seralini's long-term study on the toxicity of Monsanto's GM maize NK603 and its pesticide Roundup.

http://www.gmwatch.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=14293

The concerns centre on the fact that EFSA seems to be applying standards to Seralini's study that it fails to apply to the far less adequate studies underlying its own GM crop approvals, and that EFSA appears to be trying to stifle debate and sweep the Seralini study under the carpet rather than asking for further investigation of the issue.

Why, in the words of Jean-Luc Bennahmias MEP, is EFSA not asking "for a major long-term study to be carried out by a panel of scientists with different viewpoints, scientifically irreproachable, with sample sizes sufficiently large for us to see more clearly, so that we can judge and act on the basis of knowledge?"

http://www.gmwatch.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=14295

But there is another serious concern being raised about EFSA's rapid review of Seralini's study, and this is the fact that Andrew Chesson from EFSA's GMO panel was one of only two people appointed by EFSA to oversee that review. Chesson, Lepage notes, was not only on the EFSA panel that originally approved the GM maize NK603 for consumption in 2003, but helped prepare the draft document recommending its approval, so Chesson was being asked to oversee a review of a study that suggested he personally might have made a terrible mistake that has put the health of millions of European consumers at risk.

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But there is yet another disturbing aspect to Chesson's key role in EFSA's review that hasn't been picked up on by the French media. This is the fact that Andrew Chesson has previous(ly played a decisive role) when it come to discrediting high profile research that raises serious questions about GM food safety and regulation.

Chesson played a leading role in discrediting the research of his former colleague Dr Arpad Pusztai. It was Chesson who chaired the audit committee which found fault with Pusztai, and which later rejected Pusztai's detailed response to its audit. He is identified as the person in charge of the audit here:

http://www.rowett.ac.uk/gmo/gmaudit7.htm

By rejecting Dr Pusztai's conclusions, Chesson's audit report not only rubbished the research but effectively justified Pusztai having been forced to retire after expressing concerns about GM.

*****However*****, when an independent panel of scientists from 13 different countries, led by Prof E. Van Driessche of the Laboratory of Protein Chemistry, Vrije University, Brussels, subsequently reviewed Chesson's audit report, they found serious fault with it, even suggesting its selection of data had been made with a view to disproving Dr Pusztai's conclusions.

http://naturalscience.com/ns/cover/cover8.html

And part of Pusztai's research showing harm from GM potatoes, i.e. the same research which Chesson's Audit Committee claimed hadn't provided a basis for Pusztai's expressions of concern about GM, was subsequently successfully peer reviewed (with double the number of normal peer reviewers) and published in The Lancet.

http://www.powerbase.info/index.php/Arpad_Pusztai

So, could anyone have been less suited to overseeing the review of Seralini's study than Andrew Chesson – judge, jury, and a known executioner?





The pro-GMO scientists as always are pure as the driven snow. Vincardog Sep 2012 #1
That's not a very scientific attitude. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #3
Neither is this: Chemisse Nov 2012 #56
Naturally. proverbialwisdom Oct 2012 #48
"Don't ask, don't tell." proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #55
A fine piece that covers a wider swath of the issue from the science standpoint. HuckleB Sep 2012 #2
Kick. HuckleB Oct 2012 #4
+ Infinity! Odin2005 Oct 2012 #5
Not so fast. proverbialwisdom Oct 2012 #6
Nice "sources" you got there. Odin2005 Oct 2012 #7
But, but... HuckleB Oct 2012 #8
My opinion? It's scientist vs. scientist / industry's fading efforts to censor independent research. proverbialwisdom Oct 2012 #10
The scientific consensus is clearly against your opinion. HuckleB Oct 2012 #11
Correct Tumbulu Oct 2012 #14
Nope. HuckleB Oct 2012 #15
Well I personally know 3 professors Tumbulu Oct 2012 #16
Uh huh. HuckleB Oct 2012 #17
Post some data Tumbulu Oct 2012 #19
You keep saying you're waiting, but you're not. HuckleB Oct 2012 #20
This is not a nibble, this is exactly what I want to see Tumbulu Oct 2012 #23
So you admit that you simply haven't bothered to research the issue. HuckleB Oct 2012 #24
Your rudeness is unacceptable Tumbulu Oct 2012 #25
You have been less than honest. HuckleB Oct 2012 #26
What are you talking about? Tumbulu Oct 2012 #28
Wash. Rinse. Repeat. HuckleB Oct 2012 #29
Your tone is so unnecessarily rude Tumbulu Oct 2012 #32
Thanks for continuing to push the usual logical fallacies. HuckleB Oct 2012 #33
HuckleB is always rude. Chemisse Nov 2012 #57
Get a mirror. HuckleB Nov 2012 #60
Which, in your rigid world view, is any post without an authoritarian stamp of approval Chemisse Nov 2012 #62
And the ad hominem nonsense keeps coming. HuckleB Nov 2012 #63
How about these? proverbialwisdom Oct 2012 #9
Youtube version unavailable. proverbialwisdom Oct 2012 #12
If the industry that produces these products wishes Tumbulu Oct 2012 #13
Nice try. HuckleB Oct 2012 #18
The Skeptical Vegan On GMO Labeling HuckleB Oct 2012 #21
A very good piece about GE crops. HuckleB Oct 2012 #22
I think if anything caused tumors it was the mzmolly Oct 2012 #27
I agree completely. Odin2005 Oct 2012 #30
I don't doubt it. mzmolly Oct 2012 #31
The saga of 'Scientist' vs Scientist with and without the benefit of the internet. Oh, snap. proverbialwisdom Oct 2012 #34
Spamming shit sources doesn't work on me. Odin2005 Oct 2012 #35
Short video, perhaps? proverbialwisdom Oct 2012 #40
Please don't push discredited pseudo-science as being equivalent. It's not. HuckleB Oct 2012 #36
Too much reading? Here, I'll it abbreviate for you. proverbialwisdom Oct 2012 #37
You haven't done the reading. HuckleB Oct 2012 #39
Part 1 involves Chesson's role in dismissing the current study. proverbialwisdom Oct 2012 #38
Conspiracy theories are fun, but pointless. HuckleB Oct 2012 #41
Nope, it's scientist vs 'scientist,' as demonstrated. proverbialwisdom Oct 2012 #42
You keep pretending. The consensus does not show that. HuckleB Oct 2012 #43
The Slate source brought up Mother Jones writer, Tom Philpott, and so does ThinkProgress.org below. proverbialwisdom Oct 2012 #44
None of what you post is relevant. HuckleB Oct 2012 #45
Industry scientists. independent scientists? No difference? proverbialwisdom Oct 2012 #46
Red herrings are not relevant. HuckleB Oct 2012 #47
The amount of negative studies not published is sense Oct 2012 #49
LeMonde - GM cancer study academic hits back proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #50
there are some brave people left in the world n/t Celebration Nov 2012 #51
Bravely pushing BS fictions to advance their own ridiculous careers! HuckleB Nov 2012 #52
Right on schedule, bringing in the corporate view. sense Nov 2012 #53
You seem to think science based view equates to "corporate view." HuckleB Nov 2012 #54
Perhaps it is just a freak coincidence that your opinion is ALWAYS Chemisse Nov 2012 #58
Hogwash. HuckleB Nov 2012 #59
I am impressed! Chemisse Nov 2012 #61
Yeah, uh huh. HuckleB Nov 2012 #64
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