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jimmy the one

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3. a real contributing reason for drop in crime
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 01:08 PM
Nov 2014

cross posted from another thread: Crime is down -- and so is gun ownership July 23, 2012 By Lauter .. three important trends to keep in mind: Criminal violence in America has dropped to levels not seen in more than a generation, the percentage of Americans owning guns is down and public support for gun control measures has plummeted as well.
.. the percentage of Americans who report owning a pistol or shotgun, the weapons most often used in crime, is now down to 1 in 5, about half what it was in the 1970s. Of course, hardened criminals aren’t likely to respond to the GSS survey, so there’s probably some under-reporting going on. But that was true 30 or 40 years ago, too, and isn’t likely to have affected the overall trend.
The major point is that the American “culture of gun ownership” has been strikingly on the wane for the past generation. A similar decline has taken place in the number of Americans who hunt, now about 5% of the population. With a decline in the percentage of Americans who own guns and the percentage who hunt, one might have expected support for gun control to go up.
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/23/news/la-pn-crime-is-down-and-so-is-gun-ownership-20120722

(jto wrote): Note how the percentage of firearms involved in homicides decreased from 1993 thru 2000, from approx. 71% down to 64%, about a 10% decline, statistically significant. This is the same time period that household & personal firearm ownership declined 20 -30% accd'g to GSS, gallup, & Pew.
From 2002 thru 2011 the FA% remained fairly level, avg'g about 68%, an avg decline from 1993/4 of about 5%, not that statistically significant except that, if so, one would've expected a fluctuation above the 1993/4 rate, and there wasn't any.
Percent of violence {homicide} involving a firearm, 1993–2011
1993 .. 71.2 % 1994 ...71.4
1995 ...69.0
1996 ...68.0
1997 ...68.0
1998 ...65.9
1999 ...64.1
2000 ...64.4 .. 2001 ...55.9 ... scratch, 9/11 included ~3,000
2002 ...67.1 2003 ...67.2 2004 ...67.0 2005 ...68.2 2006 ...68.9
2007 ...68.8 2008 ...68.3 2009 ...68.4 2010 ...68.1

2011c ..69.6 http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172151328

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It's not just homicides; all crimes are down. Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #1
Good point about total crime being down! benEzra Nov 2014 #2
a real contributing reason for drop in crime jimmy the one Nov 2014 #3
Your post shows that gun ownership has kioa Nov 2014 #5
repeat jimmy the one Nov 2014 #7
No, gun ownership has been steady since the mid-1990s, while murders decreased 50%. benEzra Nov 2014 #9
BJS & gallup jimmy the one Nov 2014 #17
bjs murder rates stats jimmy the one Nov 2014 #18
Guns per capita vs murder rate. kioa Nov 2014 #19
california apples, florida oranges jimmy the one Nov 2014 #20
Hardly. Both my & your examples show zero correlation between guns per capita & murder rates. kioa Nov 2014 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #22
We weren't supposed to notice that TX has more guns per capita and less murder than CA friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #23
buy a new deck of cards jimmy the one Nov 2014 #24
You are now contradicting what you've been claiming in the other thread friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #25
"I have a sneaking suspicion you're not playing with a full deck of cards. " blueridge3210 Nov 2014 #26
et tu jimmy the one Dec 2014 #27
Um, yeah. blueridge3210 Dec 2014 #28
Oh, really? Did a bunch of guns just disappear? Did they magically vaporize? NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #12
'Tragic canoeing accidents'. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #16
How odd, crime is down while firearms sales reached all time highs Lurks Often Nov 2014 #4
such dishonesty jimmy the one Nov 2014 #6
"You are well aware of what I've just posted"-and it's just as true now than it was then friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #8
I am struck by decline in handgun homicides. Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #10
50,000 stolen guns a year are more than enough to supply all the criminals with guns..... Logical Nov 2014 #11
a claim of 50,000/year melm00se Nov 2014 #13
What? That is only guns stolen from FFL holders. Not home burglarys, etc. Not sure..... Logical Nov 2014 #14
Here you go, I was wrong, it was 190,000 in 2012....... Logical Nov 2014 #15
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