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iris27

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4. Where is this from? I'm curious to read the whole article.
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 07:12 PM
Dec 2011

From what I can see here, I'd agree that it's crap. If she wanted to write an article critiquing the sexism of "New Atheism", all she'd have to do is look at the personal views of Dawkins and Hitchens. No need for the wild speculation that begins the excerpt.

Both of the women-authored books she mentions are more of a "history of non-belief" than a systematic takedown of arguments for theism. As you say, "The God Delusion" is really what vaulted Dawkins to the front of the "movement", so to speak. And "God Is Not Great" is really the work that popularized Hitchens. Histories are less controversial, harder to find offensive.

I agree with you that feminism is generally down on organized religion, for the simple fact that organized religion is largely down on women. Most self-identified feminists who haven't decided to turn a blind eye to the faith they grew up in (which many do), are either without religion or into some sort of vague paganistic Mother Earth/Gaia/Goddess sort of spirituality.

Also, while author is arguing that women are - what? - more conciliatory? - less anti-establishment?...she is overlooking probably the single most confrontational public atheist out there - Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Maybe it's because Ali's main target is Islam instead of Christianity, I don't know. But I do know that you'll never see Dawkins publicly calling Christianity "a destructive, nihilistic cult of death (that) legitimates murder." She does NOT hold back!

I know more female atheists than male atheists online Warpy Dec 2011 #1
That's what I was thinking. Lost-in-FL Dec 2011 #5
You are right to mention O'Hair, who is probably the most familiar name Curmudgeoness Dec 2011 #9
they attacked her, IMO... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2011 #23
They were especially poisonous because she was a woman Warpy Dec 2011 #27
You may have a point. I don't know who it was Curmudgeoness Dec 2011 #40
I've been to several atheist meetings and functions... PassingFair Dec 2011 #2
I agree since my situation is similar Lost-in-FL Dec 2011 #6
i pulled fromt he article that it is just more misogyny even in the atheist realm seabeyond Dec 2011 #3
The gifts of patriarchy. nt Lost-in-FL Dec 2011 #7
yes. nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #10
Where is this from? I'm curious to read the whole article. iris27 Dec 2011 #4
My bad!! Can't believe I forgot the link! It is from The Guardian Lost-in-FL Dec 2011 #8
"New atheism" is a media invention, not an actual movement. laconicsax Dec 2011 #11
Huh - actually looking at the article as a whole, it says exactly that. iris27 Dec 2011 #12
I guess my knee jerked. laconicsax Dec 2011 #13
Similar articles are posted usually in the "R/T" Lost-in-FL Dec 2011 #15
The irony of that is off the charts. laconicsax Dec 2011 #18
No, I had the same reaction as you did at first. The article is kind of clumsily written, and it's iris27 Dec 2011 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Lost-in-FL Dec 2011 #14
Some of my favorite atheists are women. MarkCharles Dec 2011 #16
Lol! Lost-in-FL Dec 2011 #17
That "someone" was ME! MarkCharles Dec 2011 #19
I doubt that the reason women aren't taken seriously is because of Miss USA contestants. (nt) redqueen Dec 2011 #28
I think women Atheists are a lot more reluctant to come out. Odin2005 Dec 2011 #20
Richard Dawkins had some scathing remarks to say about Women's Studies departments. Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #26
Your point is? laconicsax Dec 2011 #36
He's got a hidden post in this thread. iris27 Dec 2011 #41
I had forgotten about that feature! laconicsax Dec 2011 #42
I know a few women who are atheists and just don't discuss it much stuntcat Dec 2011 #22
If women can have their own clubs, why can't men? Quartermass Dec 2011 #24
There's a big difference between a ladies' quilting bee and the popular iris27 Dec 2011 #32
Atheism isn't a boys club. laconicsax Dec 2011 #37
I think you're being deliberately obtuse EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #38
+1 laconicsax Dec 2011 #39
Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #25
Unlike men? redqueen Dec 2011 #29
Uh? Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #30
Not really, no. (nt) redqueen Dec 2011 #35
Wow, that's some over-the-top sexism right there. iris27 Dec 2011 #31
So women cannot be thusly? Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #33
Saying "women", instead of "some women" is a broad-brush bigoted attack. n/t iris27 Dec 2011 #34
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