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2016 Postmortem

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DFW

(54,341 posts)
29. Cancer spares no one, but hits the poor hardest
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 04:43 PM
Jan 2016

My wife's brother had it (stage 4 glioblastoma--100% death sentence), and despite fabulous treatment, and living 2 years longer than the doctors thought he would, he died at age 51. My wife had breast cancer, and though it spread due to her second class ("Kassenpatient&quot status in the German health insurance system, and her treatment was far more invasive that it would have been if she had been treated earlier, at least when it DID finally get treated, it cost her nothing. She had the whole gamut--two operations, the second of which was so invasive, they had to keep her in the hospital for a month. Then a round of chemo lasting almost 2 months. Then radiation lasting six weeks. Then a rehab spa, specifically designed for patients with breast and thyroid cancer, where all but two of the patients were women, predictably enough. Her employer was furious that he had to keep her on, being absent for about a year, but there was nothing he could do about it, and she ended up working 11 more years before retiring. So far, she is still with me. Imagine health spas for rehab, each one finely tuned to various kinds of cancer being treated, and available at no cost to all recovering cancer patients that want them. This is standard in Germany.

While my father was wasting away with terminal pancreatic cancer in 2000, there was a suggestion that Medicare reduce the amount of outpatient cancer care it covered from 95% to 85%. As one who knew only too well what that meant, my dad gathered up what energy he had left, arranged a conference call between him, Sen. Moynihan (D-NY for those who don't remember) and the Clinton White House. He told them (paraphrasing here), "you idiots, don't you realize that if you make it more expensive for outpatients, that patients will just get themselves checked in overnight to realize the better coverage? This would cost the Medicare system a fortune!" Even the thick-headed bureaucrats realized their mistake when they had it laid out for them in simple terms, and they withdrew the proposal. Not everyone has the White House or US Senators on speed dial, of course, but the more we flood our reps in Congress with stories and suggestions, the more they will be forced to realize that their action affect real people, not just numbers on a spreadsheet.

I don't see that anyone contends that Obamacare is the Omega of progress in our health care system. All have said it's a good start. As long as we have a solid Republican majority in one of our houses of Congress, I'd be amazed if we get anything better, and for too many of us, it's not adequate. If November leaves us with the same situation as now, all I can say is that anyone who refuses to vote for the Democratic candidate had better remain in excellent health, or else be financially well off. Why? If the Republicans keep both houses of Congress AND win the White House, the repeal will go through, probably with nothing to replace it for those who will lose coverage, and pre-existing conditions will immediately once again be legitimate grounds for cutting off or refusing coverage. A president can advocate single payer, but he (or she) cannot make it the law of the land with one wave of a magic wand. Executive orders can go only so far, but for broad initiatives, even the POTUS needs a little help from his friends.

$626.43 [View all] hedgehog Jan 2016 OP
Thanks for the concrete example of cost! Punkingal Jan 2016 #1
Insult to injury artislife Jan 2016 #2
Those five words "...but then, I'm a Democrat." Says it all. libdem4life Jan 2016 #3
Huge +1! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #9
I agree. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #4
If not for them, do it for yourself. hedgehog Jan 2016 #5
Bleh, I don't really worry about myself. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #7
do not be so smug about tb....some family experience with it.....nasty nasty shit dembotoz Jan 2016 #15
My brother takes a $1,700 a month antibiotic... 40RatRod Jan 2016 #31
Our health care system is criminal. nt awoke_in_2003 Jan 2016 #35
But radical fringe and Denmark and stuff!!1! AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #6
Exactly radical fringe humbled_opinion Jan 2016 #48
Hoping you beat it Bettie Jan 2016 #8
I could eat out at a fundraiser almost any week-end I choose! hedgehog Jan 2016 #13
K & R ! TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #10
I wish you the best, hedgehog. I agree with you. roguevalley Jan 2016 #11
I don't know you .............................but......................... turbinetree Jan 2016 #12
We're doing fine with our bills - as I said, excellent health insurance hedgehog Jan 2016 #14
I know.......................... turbinetree Jan 2016 #18
Thanks for putting numbers to this! hedgehog Jan 2016 #20
Single payer. Single payer. Single payer. PatrickforO Jan 2016 #16
+1000000 SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #17
I wish you all the best, hedgehog. democrank Jan 2016 #19
i so feel for you ellennelle Jan 2016 #21
Single payer health care would be the biggest and best economic stimulus. IMHO. JEB Jan 2016 #54
My cousin -- stage 4 lung cancer. Hell Hath No Fury Jan 2016 #22
My sister-in-law of lung cancer in December....your cousin has my deepest sympathy. Punkingal Jan 2016 #23
So sorry to hear about your SIS. :( Hell Hath No Fury Jan 2016 #25
i don't know how she does it either...working two jobs. What a nightmare! Punkingal Jan 2016 #27
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #24
K & R to the max! I was waiting for a prescription today bread_and_roses Jan 2016 #26
We can NOT open this discussion again. Moderators, please close this thread. closeupready Jan 2016 #28
Cancer spares no one, but hits the poor hardest DFW Jan 2016 #29
big k and r KentuckyWoman Jan 2016 #30
Wishing you well. MuseRider Jan 2016 #32
I had foot surgery. Arthritis was in the right toe joint and making it impossible to walk. Let Katashi_itto Jan 2016 #33
Thank You For That !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #34
K & R historylovr Jan 2016 #36
Damn, it hurts to read this OP passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #37
All the best to you, hedgehog. mountain grammy Jan 2016 #38
K & R! I wish you a speedy recovery! neverforget Jan 2016 #39
Think of how many people would not be able to pay the deductible. Curmudgeoness Jan 2016 #40
I'm lucky enough to get health insurance from my union. Kablooie Jan 2016 #41
Correction, we'd be better off with Universal Health Care. KittyWampus Jan 2016 #42
Medicare doesn't pay for prescriptions so Medicare-for-all won't solve the problem. pnwmom Jan 2016 #43
Plus since Medicare covers 80% sunnystarr Jan 2016 #44
My mother pays for a part B, and for an extra drug plan, pnwmom Jan 2016 #45
When we get Single Payer, the fight will shift to ensuring it is funded hedgehog Jan 2016 #50
You consider a $4500 deductible to be excellent insurance? drm604 Jan 2016 #46
It's high deductible, but after that I pay nothing. So it's really hedgehog Jan 2016 #55
K and R (nt) bigwillq Jan 2016 #47
Single payer sounds great. Now tell us, how is Bernie going to pass it through Congress? eom tarheelsunc Jan 2016 #49
You've got to get into the game to win - hedgehog Jan 2016 #52
With a Large Movement Marty McGraw Jan 2016 #56
K & R n/t TubbersUK Jan 2016 #51
Recommend Zorra Jan 2016 #53
Over the last 3 years my wife has had 2 cancer surgeries and a stroke. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #57
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