2016 Postmortem

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18. Tax hikes have recently come into fashion. Who knew?

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George McGovern strongly called for the redistribution of income -- and lost 49 states to 1. [View all] pnwmom Feb 2016 OP

And, I voted for him for much the same reason I'll vote for Bernie. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #1

"If only McGovern had been more like Nixon" is the unstated "lesson" here. arcane1 Feb 2016 #5

Totally absurd. Also, More than half the people who voted in that election are fuckin dead leftupnorth Feb 2016 #67

McGovern's VP pick had Bipolar, underwent Electroshock. McGovern downplayed, Nixon Attacked! nt TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #117

Nixon coveted the white house for years, above all-to the point where it clouded his judgment badly. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #134

I volunteered for McGovern. earthside Feb 2016 #87

Nixon attacked McGovern: Called crazy while VP choice underwent Electroshock for Bipolar! TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #115

If we are stupid enough to assume history always repeats: Clinton lost once, thus she'll lose again. arcane1 Feb 2016 #2

Clinton lost by less than half a percentage point. McGovern lost by 49 states. n/t pnwmom Feb 2016 #4

I'm referring to 2008 n/t arcane1 Feb 2016 #9

Hillary lost to Obama in the overall primary by less than a half percent of voters. n/t pnwmom Feb 2016 #24

Point is, she lost. Your history lesson is irrelevant. n/t arcane1 Feb 2016 #34

And? A loss is a loss. frylock Feb 2016 #40

Bernie has had MANY losses in his career. So? The conservative super pacs pnwmom Feb 2016 #99

What's your fucking point? frylock Feb 2016 #100

What's yours? pnwmom Feb 2016 #101

You're living in the past and allowing fear to rule your life. frylock Feb 2016 #103

Fry, cut it out. kstewart33 Feb 2016 #121

Step off. frylock Feb 2016 #131

It was heart breaking. That was the first Presidential livetohike Feb 2016 #3

I was at the McGovern convention (college press pass). kstewart33 Feb 2016 #122

How much do you make? n/t Wilms Feb 2016 #6

How does that affect what is right or wrong? scscholar Feb 2016 #31

Hoarding? vdogg Feb 2016 #80

so spending one's money is fine, saving is not . . . got it DrDan Feb 2016 #94

Hey Pnwmom, it is 2016 NOT 1972. Different Context!! m-lekktor Feb 2016 #7

Tax hikes have recently come into fashion. Who knew? oasis Feb 2016 #18

Methods and the medium for defeating propaganda have changed. frylock Feb 2016 #43

"Propaganda". Would that include promises of free stuff? oasis Feb 2016 #61

Yes, "promises of free stuff" is a perfect example of the propaganda that is getting it's ass kicked frylock Feb 2016 #69

Nobody is promising free stuff. That's another lie. arcane1 Feb 2016 #75

Bernie NEVER uttered the words "free college" or "free health care"? oasis Feb 2016 #138

If he's hiking taxes then he's not promising free stuff. bunnies Feb 2016 #105

My memory is kind of fuzzy. Was it McGovern's campaign oasis Feb 2016 #109

I wouldn't know. That was before I was born. nt bunnies Feb 2016 #137

Tax hikes on the Uber Rich are only "unpopular" whathehell Feb 2016 #45

You should have been there. The contexts were very similar. kstewart33 Feb 2016 #123

Today's meme is "Taxes". Pass it on! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #8

Yes. The aspens sure are turning in unison, aren't they? Arugula Latte Feb 2016 #93

This McGovern meme is bullshit! His VP pick had Bipolar, He downplayed it & Nixon attacked! nt TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #118

It wasn't bipolar disorder at all. kstewart33 Feb 2016 #124

Later it was identified to be Bipolar-II disorder. nt TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #127

Redistribution of income? Mortgage Interest Deduction, anyone? closeupready Feb 2016 #10

No We Can't! Ron Green Feb 2016 #11

That was a different time. Vinca Feb 2016 #12

Good thing Bernie isn't running on that platform Paulie Feb 2016 #13

DU needs an enthusiasm award Fumesucker Feb 2016 #14

In 1972 I was wearing diapers. EmperorHasNoClothes Feb 2016 #15

Yes times do change. PotatoChip Feb 2016 #53

History has this nasty habit of repeating itself. kstewart33 Feb 2016 #125

Yes we must always run on Republican policies because 45 years ago a Democrat lost an election Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #16

I know, right? It's such fucking bullshit that I could scream. Nay Feb 2016 #108

It's called learning from experience. nt kstewart33 Feb 2016 #126

And Hillary is calling for the continued, or at least the codified, redistribution of wealth upward Schema Thing Feb 2016 #17

This may come as a shock to you, but things have changed radically cali Feb 2016 #19

Much like Hillary, this post is living in the past. nt Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #20

McGovern never called himself a Socialist, on camera, repeatedly. onehandle Feb 2016 #21

After saying he backed Eagleton "1,000 per cent" and then throwing him under the bus? Puh-leeze. Had KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #36

You're right! We should be just like Republicans and demand lower taxes! LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #22

You know, for the middle class, that's actually a great idea. nt kstewart33 Feb 2016 #128

More right-wing talking points disguised as "concern"... AOR Feb 2016 #23

"Settle For Hillary!!" AzDar Feb 2016 #25

Different times NowSam Feb 2016 #26

Do we have any stats SheenaR Feb 2016 #27

Richard Nixon meets all three of your criteria and he beat McGovern by 49 states. pnwmom Feb 2016 #32

Message received: McGovern should've been more right-wing like Nixon. arcane1 Feb 2016 #47

Incorrect SheenaR Feb 2016 #49

yep Roy Ellefson Feb 2016 #72

And Nixon cheated. earthside Feb 2016 #88

Nixon had high favorability at that juncture, China and all that.... Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #81

Yet FDR won so many reelections they had to move mmonk Feb 2016 #28

Income hadn't been redistributed upward for 30 years before McGovern JHB Feb 2016 #29

That was then, this is now. Autumn Feb 2016 #30

A good does of REALITY is always a good thing. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #33

It's not 1972 Kall Feb 2016 #35

*yawn* frylock Feb 2016 #37

Hillary Clinton was against gay marriage and has lost the millennial vote pinebox Feb 2016 #38

Ancient history. DinahMoeHum Feb 2016 #39

...and we're all fucked now because he wasn't elected. cyberswede Feb 2016 #41

If it's truly going to be Trump vs Sanders flamingdem Feb 2016 #42

If Trump is a Dem plant or just a guy who really wants to fuck things Nay Feb 2016 #110

McGovern was correct... Mike Nelson Feb 2016 #44

Do you mean Mondale? - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #48

Yes! Mike Nelson Feb 2016 #51

Guaranteed Annual Income -- an idea whose time has come and which is long overdue, imo. Just KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #46

Different times. TheFarseer Feb 2016 #50

My father-in-law said that was a nightmare Iliyah Feb 2016 #52

It's the year 2016. retrowire Feb 2016 #54

THE issue in 1972 was the Vietnam War. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #55

It was different times, Nixon had a similar tax credit called Family Assistance Program which was Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #76

You realize that EVERY GOVERNMENT is about "redistribution of income", bullwinkle428 Feb 2016 #56

Nope, I don't buy that. 44 years ago, when McGovern ran, PatrickforO Feb 2016 #57

Pssst it's not the 60s anymore, the Cold War is over gyroscope Feb 2016 #58

George McGovern didn't have THE INTERNET. nt valerief Feb 2016 #59

This current awakening is fresher, and runs deeper & broader than 1972 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #60

Yeah, and how did that work out for you? tularetom Feb 2016 #62

That was then, this is now. leftupnorth Feb 2016 #63

Abraham Lincoln lost all of the southern states in 1860 election Ichingcarpenter Feb 2016 #64

Hrmm...let me check my calendar.....nope! It isn't 1972. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #65

Definitely a far different situation.... NiteOwl1 Feb 2016 #66

Did you just find out about that? I remember it from my childhood! It was about Vietnam and not Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #68

Thanks for your incremental fear. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2016 #70

Different time, different electorate. Avalux Feb 2016 #71

So what...this isn't 1972. Punkingal Feb 2016 #73

In 1970 there was not social media jillan Feb 2016 #74

That was then. This is now. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #77

In 1972, I was 2. nt ScreamingMeemie Feb 2016 #78

The way forward is clear HassleCat Feb 2016 #79

I volunteered for and work on the McGovern campaign Gothmog Feb 2016 #82

They do indeed. Thanks. n/t pnwmom Feb 2016 #83

Nevertheless, they are still irrelevant. longship Feb 2016 #97

And how many times have we heard Bernie say pnwmom Feb 2016 #98

Nevertheless, your historic argument is a non-sequitur. longship Feb 2016 #102

I remember that ad! kstewart33 Feb 2016 #132

Wow. It's almost like BS is trying to EMULATE McGovern. tarheelsunc Feb 2016 #142

It really looks that way Gothmog Feb 2016 #146

And that was a different era The Traveler Feb 2016 #84

McGovern lost because H2O Man Feb 2016 #85

Typical Hillarian ... living in the past. earthside Feb 2016 #86

Sanders polls very well against any of the slugs he would possibly face in the general. Orsino Feb 2016 #89

Bernie Sanders says he polls better against GOP candidates than Hillary Clinton Gothmog Feb 2016 #116

Goldwater strongly called for tax cuts - and lost states 44 to 6. ieoeja Feb 2016 #90

Ooh noes! Socialism!!! 1111!!! Fearless Feb 2016 #91

You do realize that several decades have passed since McGovern? Arugula Latte Feb 2016 #92

Yeah. Because electroshock therapy, Thorazine, and Thomas Eagleton had nothing to do with the loss. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #95

The campaign of McGovern and Sanders cannot be compared as easily as that Jack Rabbit Feb 2016 #96

When did taxes become redistribution of wealth? Dretownblues Feb 2016 #104

By contrast - Reagan and Bush actually redistributed the income upward to the wealthy. They won. EndElectoral Feb 2016 #106

"More than half of our states have Republican governors and most of them rejected free Federal... bettyellen Feb 2016 #107

1972 as many others have stated. More than 40 years ago Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #111

Poor Hillary supporters, grasping at straws! AZ Progressive Feb 2016 #112

Is it just possible that things have changed in 40 years? LoveIsNow Feb 2016 #113

lol 44 years ago during the Cold War and far more promising times azurnoir Feb 2016 #114

Did I go through a time warp and wake up in 1972? Odin2005 Feb 2016 #119

If the same electorate were voting today, Bernie would not stand a chance, either. DaveT Feb 2016 #120

But after free trade and the rise of the service economy.... tokenlib Feb 2016 #129

it didn't help McGovern that his original running mate had seizures 0rganism Feb 2016 #130

Boomers need to move on, already. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #133

If the election had been held 2 years later, it would have been close to 49 states the other way jfern Feb 2016 #135

George is not Bernie so don't try to conflate the two. OK madokie Feb 2016 #136

Half the electorate from back then is now dead. Half of today's electorate hadn't yet been born. Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #139

We just have to win once. nt bemildred Feb 2016 #140

Republicans don't have a Nixon or Reagan to run against us. Plus, times change. (nt) thesquanderer Feb 2016 #141

Well, that certainly is proof that we should give up and let the rich have it all then. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #143

And McGovern was a WW2 vet, not a conscientious objector who doesn't follow Persondem Feb 2016 #144

2016 is NOT 1972, but it could turn into 1968... John Poet Feb 2016 #145